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Re: The Importance of India

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Post by TriNetra »

sand_castles wrote: post #8

Demographics is not destiny, if it were true, Pakistan would be more powerful than Russia. How you organize your society matters much more, Japan/SK has fraction of the global population, and somehow maintain their economic importance. India has all the problems of a democracy without much of the benefit. It's more likely that India becomes a CCP style country than stays a democracy. If India was so great it's smalle…

China has made big short-term gains because of an authoritarian rule. But, for a sustained growth, like that of USA, you need an open, democratic society which allows people to express their newly find voice. As people gain wealth, exposure and education, they gain new intellectual capabilities. This capability can be used for innovation but that requires people don't have undue pressure - they feel free to express their ideas and thoughts. If you're in constant battle with your own people/government, lot of energy is wasted that could otherwise be used to do more important things that can take you and yoru nation further.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by sbmthakur »

jeffreyrogers wrote: post #33
bzb3 wrote: post #3

>India currently punches below its weight on the world stage due to slow economic development: 30 years ago, its GDP per capita was similar to China’s, but is now 5x lower. However, if India were to enter a period of similarly high growth over the next 30 years as China has for the past 30, it would quickly become one of the most powerful countries in the world thanks to the scaling factor of its immense population.…

Yeah, any comparison to China needs to acknowledge that China is largely ethnically homogenous and has an authoritarian government that has relatively consistent goals top-to-bottom. India is nothing like that and I don't see it becoming like that anytime soon.

They are not exactly homegenous when you consider Tibet and other regions which have been coerced into the union.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by virattara »

vijaybritto wrote: post #63
virattara wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India is striding away from these practices. The ground reality is quite different today, unfortunately, the outside world has this impression from historic books or articles about India which are largely outdated now. There is very little information on the internet regarding the improvements and the shift of the young generation here in India away from such practices.

One needs to be completely blind to make this heartless claim. Are you being sarcastic or something? https://scroll.in/topic/5593/caste-crimes The above list is a sparsely updated list of caste crimes in India. What do you mean casteism is outdated? A dalit and a brahmin are equal in this society? If so kindly show us a place where its the case! This is the PRESIDENT of the country being shoved upon entering a temple…

You yourself are the perfect example of an Indian that has refused to accept such traditions and have criticized it openly. This was the improvement I was talking about.

There cannot be an overnight change but I believe the change is happening.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by teatree »

praveen9920 wrote: post #4

This is true in the case of manufacturing based economy, which world is currently now majored in. But with knowledge driven economy coming into picture, Having a huge population has any advantage? First world countries certainly have head start in this case, who are already attracting best brains from across world ( universities and companies) So, India will retain the importance only if it can sustain current brain…

Who were the "essential workers" during the lock down, other than medical professionals ? Did people horde Wikipedia articles or toilet paper ?

Knowledge driven economy is a possibility in the future. Automation is definitely driving down jobs, but not to the extent we are imagining. Most production of the world is being done in China and other ASEAN countries by its billion+ population.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by manjalyc »

ezVoodoo wrote: post #15

But India is still a Semi Slavery society. The untouchables, anyone? The Hindu caste/social grouping system tells millions of people that they are contaminated and their fate is doomed upon birth. This is the most powerful racist/slavery/brain-washing machine that the human being has ever made, no? It is so hard to believe such brutal system still exist in human society. Yet, the country enforcing this claims to be t…

> But India is still a Semi Slavery society.

> The Hindu caste/social grouping system tells millions of people that they are contaminated and their fate is doomed upon birth.

Sure, maybe 100 years ago. But attitudes have been changing and there are numerous government programs designed specifically to bring up those in "lower castes" with the ultimate goal of equality for everyone. Indian culture is still very different from Western culture and far deeper ingrained into the average person. Change does not happen overnight. Everything happening in India in a broader view points to a trend of more equality and freedoms, not less. More governmental programs seek to address issues of inequalities, especially caste discrimination, than at any prior point in Indian history. Of course there are still issues, I won't argue there are no flaws, but calling it a Semi Slavery society these days is delusional at best, malintent at worst.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by praveen9920 »

desikoder wrote: post #74
praveen9920 wrote: post #69

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It's interesting to note that India's 7% gdp is from software and tech related exports. Knowledge driven economy is not a myth in the case is india

Well, most of that comes by building products from established standards by the west and providing support services. So, the point remains, knowledge based economy, while certainly useful, is not the only way for an economy to grow. Sheer hardwork can be an immense force too, that's what the chinese did over the years and what this article points to as well.

My point is that, with the transformation coming, sheer hardwork will lose the relevance.

China did it when world still needed humans to do lot of manufacturing which is changing very rapidly. In fact, India's manufacturing sector is not adapting lot of automation just to make sure they can capitalise human effort which may be cheaper now but may not be in future ( just like in China)

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by virattara »

ankitkumar98 wrote: post #13

Having a huge population doesn't help much. I am from India and I can say that the current state of the country is not good. There are some good initiatives such as the Digital India initiative and some good advancements on the Fintech scene but the country is not in the best state right now. At least, not positioned for remarkable growth like China had in the past few decades.

> Having a huge population doesn't help much.

The article highlights this by saying "India currently punches below its weight on the world stage" and it's true if we go by the numbers. Also, if we go by the numbers the country is in the best state ever compared to its past. Modernization in manufacturing or agriculture will surely increase the country's output which I believe should be the target of governance.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by vijaybritto »

virattara wrote: post #83
vijaybritto wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One needs to be completely blind to make this heartless claim. Are you being sarcastic or something? https://scroll.in/topic/5593/caste-crimes The above list is a sparsely updated list of caste crimes in India. What do you mean casteism is outdated? A dalit and a brahmin are equal in this society? If so kindly show us a place where its the case! This is the PRESIDENT of the country being shoved upon entering a temple…

You yourself are the perfect example of an Indian that has refused to accept such traditions and have criticized it openly. This was the improvement I was talking about. There cannot be an overnight change but I believe the change is happening.

Oh Sorry no. Im fortunate enough to be born in Tamil Nadu, South India where caste system was fiercely fought against starting from the 50s. It has helped our society to grow more or less equally. Not just upper castes.

Millions of Indians have criticised this in the past and continue to do so. To deny casteism in India is like denying racism in the USA. The systems/power structure has not changed. The same old rotten filth continues to decide our lives and sorry we are not privileged enough to be free from caste oppression if we hang out with upper caste friends.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by ra7 »

throwaway384629 wrote: post #78
ra7 wrote: post #17

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> India has all the problems of a democracy without much of the benefit. It's more likely that India becomes a CCP style country than stays a democracy. What is the basis for this? People have been predicting fall of democracy in India for decades (especially in the West), but nothing of that sort has happened. The closest incident was the state of emergency under Indira Gandhi in 1975-1977. India successfully recove…

Not sure if India is still a democracy. Media and Judiciary are important pillars of democracy, but they are tightly controlled by the Government in India. Former Chief Justice of India (CJI) Ranjan Gogoi was nominated to the Rajya Sabha by President (Current Government) [1]: A judge dies right before court case hearing of the top leader of the ruling party. [2] An Indian Police Service officer [3] is known for his r…

Throwing in a bunch of complaints (sometimes valid) doesn't mean India is not a democracy. Do the people still choose the government via elections or not? If you don't like policies of the current government, organize the opposition and vote them out. That's not being curtailed by anyone.

Re: The Importance of India

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Post by sbmthakur »

sand_castles wrote: post #27
0x8BADF00D wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How you organize your society matters much more, Japan/SK has fraction of the global population, and somehow maintain their economic importance. They maintain their importance by being creditor nations, i.e. they are productive and save. > India has all the problems of a democracy without much of the benefit. It's more likely that India becomes a CCP style country than stays a democracy. There is a fundamental dist…

Everything you have mentioned is true, but it misses the point. India needs to go through a period of "communism" to get anywhere, the type of land reform needed to reduce poverty won't happen without somebody brutal enough to go against the interests of the wealthy in India. India is still mostly a feudal society, that was thrust into the 20th Century from the 16th Century. It was robbed of 4 centuries of social cha…

We don't need go through communism (which caused massive famines) to irradiate poverty.

Social reforms combined with capitalism has been working nicely for us.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/india-lifted-27...

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