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Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by Anon1096 »

soulofmischief wrote: post #79
Barrin92 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only reason you even have ad revenue is because the platform is in a state that allows the general public to use it. Yes, these things are hassles but on youtube you have access to an audience of billions, youtube eats the entire infrastructure costs and manages virtually everything for you. What do you get on peer tube, 500 views and laggy 480p videos, and no advertisement revenue at all?

I agree with you, and I have in mind a pretty decent solution worth exploring if I can generate the capital to throw at it. It involves separating the ad experience from the videos being consumed. You can still work out targeted deals, but the gist is that the advertiser generally has no control over which videos are seen before and after their ads and have no incentive to find out.

That's how it used to be, then people on social media such as Twitter started reporting things like "why is this Bounty ad next to a controversial figure like Pewdiepie". That's when companies paying for ads started to care and pulled funding.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by jan_g »

ObsoleteNerd wrote: post #5
Kye wrote: post #2

It seems like PeerTube adoption is slower than Mastodon. Blender's instance[1] is the only other non-toy instance I know of. It's probably because video is much harder to work with, so fewer people do it in the first place. [1] https://video.blender.org/

I can’t even get that to load, and that’s half the problem with all of the YouTube alternatives in general. Youtube is annoying in more ways than I can count, but it works, and I can watch videos in it.

Same here, stopping every few seconds, then buffering, at some point about 15s in, it simply went black and that was it.

And I share your opinion on video playback alternatives - when a website serves me the video which isn't hosted on Youtube, I kind of groan inside, because of the bad experience of alternatives. Youtube just works, it loads fast and plays without interruptions.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by wuunderbar »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #77
emersion wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>When I sign up for gmail, I can just be myself. I don't have to be myself + something else. Well, it's still you + gmail.com. It could be you + fastmail.com, it could be you + posteo.de, it could be you + . You still chose gmail over another provider, like you could choose cucumbers.pizza over another provider in the case of the Fediverse.

The point was that GMail became so ubiquitus as to no longer be a part of the equation. I remember in 2009~ forms automatically adding @gmail.com.

The problem (if we're assuming it was one) still existed in the initial days of Gmail. Point still stands.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by wuunderbar »

mrfusion wrote: post #74

Wow I had no idea about peertube. Is it viable? That’s really encouraging to hear about a competitor to YouTube

It's a question of if they're going to be able to successfully battle copyright and otherwise illegal content issues (if and when they get popular).

I don't believe the existence of their legalese dodging all liability will hold up in many countries for instances. As for user liability it's been shown that countries will battle those as well. Examples:

1) Usenet servers get routinely taken down and it becomes a game of wack-a-mole.

2) BitTorrent seed peers with illegal copyright content are routinely served DMCA notices.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by TulliusCicero »

Wow.

> When it comes to uploading videos, PeerTube is a joy to use and a lot more straightforward than YouTube with its bazillions of options and “is that for children??? is it OK to show to my 2 years old?” ridiculous regulatory checks.

So basically:

- Google doesn't have checks: "Wow, look how irresponsible Google is."

- Google does have checks: "Wow, look how annoying Google is."

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by samatman »

detaro wrote: post #29
FalconSensei wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do a social experiment. When you are at a store and they ask your email for your receipt, try giving then your email, and compare their expressions and the time they need to input it in the system if it's gmail or your own domain.

But the choice never was "gmail or your own domain". Pre-gmail it already was likely to be one of a few large providers, (and to a good degree still is). The argument sounds a bit like "gmail won because gmail won": For gmail to be the default assumption, they already have to have won.

Arguments from networks effects are basically "X won because X won".

The argument is that, at some critical point, X became the default choice, and stayed that way.

Why it was gmail was interesting at the time, but isn't anymore; now it's literally just "people pick gmail because it's gmail".

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Post by losteric »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #85

Wow. > When it comes to uploading videos, PeerTube is a joy to use and a lot more straightforward than YouTube with its bazillions of options and “is that for children??? is it OK to show to my 2 years old?” ridiculous regulatory checks. So basically: - Google doesn't have checks: "Wow, look how irresponsible Google is." - Google does have checks: "Wow, look how annoying Google is."

Huh, yeah - it's almost like society is made up of millions of people with different pain points and priorities.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by FeepingCreature »

Kye wrote: post #73
interrealmedium wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why you don't give out your channel name, but your web site. And from there you can link people to whatever you want them to see without any worries about where it is hosted.

Observation of YouTubers: if they have a website, they rarely if ever link or mention it.

"Link is in the description."

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by kstrauser »

wuunderbar wrote: post #84
mrfusion wrote: post #74

Wow I had no idea about peertube. Is it viable? That’s really encouraging to hear about a competitor to YouTube

It's a question of if they're going to be able to successfully battle copyright and otherwise illegal content issues (if and when they get popular). I don't believe the existence of their legalese dodging all liability will hold up in many countries for instances. As for user liability it's been shown that countries will battle those as well. Examples: 1) Usenet servers get routinely taken down and it becomes a game…

I don’t think that’s an issue here, as PeerTube is a software package, not a hosting service (that I know of). I can use it to host Creative Commons videos, and you can use it to serve box office movies, but in either case PeerTube itself has no say in how you or I are using it.
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