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Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by notafraudster »

Kye wrote: post #2

It seems like PeerTube adoption is slower than Mastodon. Blender's instance[1] is the only other non-toy instance I know of. It's probably because video is much harder to work with, so fewer people do it in the first place. [1] https://video.blender.org/

I opened this to see what "non-toy instance" might refer to. It does have a lot of videos. But the highest view count is just shy of 700, and of the hundreds of videos, only maybe a half-dozen have three-digit view counts. It seems like new videos are averaging I don't know what the threshold for "toy" versus "non-toy" is in terms of seriousness, but I do know that I uploaded a video for a professor of mine 5 or 6 years ago, it's a 20 minute video of an unimportant speech he gave with bad audio and it is not SEOed at all (no real search terms attached to it) and it has more views than the highest viewcount video on the instance.

I see one of two possible interpretations: The first is that given that you choose to upload to both YouTube and a PeerTube instance, no one will watch the PeerTube instance. So PeerTube is just an emergency hedge against something going south on YouTube. Insurance is good, but the premiums in terms of time might be a little high.

The second is that it's possible some of those YouTube people wouldn't watch the videos on PeerTube even if they were removed from YouTube. That's a harder problem to solve.

I guess I don't intend to undermine the nobility of the effort, just a natural skeptic when it comes to the feasibility of it going anywhere.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by input_sh »

FalconSensei wrote: post #26
detaro wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is @gmail.com different than any other @domain.com?

Do a social experiment. When you are at a store and they ask your email for your receipt, try giving then your email, and compare their expressions and the time they need to input it in the system if it's gmail or your own domain.

I don't understand the issue at all. Never in my life have I ever used @gmail.com email address, and never have I experienced even the slightest inconvenience caused by that decision.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by Kye »

interrealmedium wrote: post #63
FalconSensei wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

THIS! Also, if someone asks me for my YT channel, I just say the channel name and they know where to look, youtube.com. With peertube you have to: give your channel name, remember then it's NOT youtube, tall then the correct instance, hope they won't type peertube on google and try to search for you in the first instance that comes up.

That's why you don't give out your channel name, but your web site. And from there you can link people to whatever you want them to see without any worries about where it is hosted.

Observation of YouTubers: if they have a website, they rarely if ever link or mention it.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by Barrin92 »

soulofmischief wrote: post #47
Spivak wrote: post #3

I mean good for them diversifying but it’s such a weird thing that of all the stuff to complain about on YT they go out of their way to mention having to tag videos as appropriate for children and/or for children. Like surely that’s such a tiny thing. It seems like the author is trying to muster up some nondescript hate for YT when they were going to move for ideological reasons anyway.

It has more to do with these recent YT changes causing big issues with monetization and community-building. Less revenue, but also comments are now disabled for example. If you make content which could in any way be aimed for kids, or has kids appearing in the video (with some nuances) then you don't get comments which are huge for building a community. And if you get it wrong, the video or channel could be demonitiz…

The only reason you even have ad revenue is because the platform is in a state that allows the general public to use it.

Yes, these things are hassles but on youtube you have access to an audience of billions, youtube eats the entire infrastructure costs and manages virtually everything for you.

What do you get on peer tube, 500 views and laggy 480p videos, and no advertisement revenue at all?

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by inetknght »

detaro wrote: post #29
FalconSensei wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do a social experiment. When you are at a store and they ask your email for your receipt, try giving then your email, and compare their expressions and the time they need to input it in the system if it's gmail or your own domain.

But the choice never was "gmail or your own domain". Pre-gmail it already was likely to be one of a few large providers, (and to a good degree still is). The argument sounds a bit like "gmail won because gmail won": For gmail to be the default assumption, they already have to have won.

> the choice never was "gmail or your own domain"

Before I had gmail, I used my ISP email address. While using my ISP email address, I set up an email server with a dynamic hostname -- homeip.net at the time. It 100% worked.

There absolutely was a choice. You just had to be technical to know it existed in the first place.

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Post by krainboltgreene »

emersion wrote: post #54
olah_1 wrote: post #7

The problem for the Fediverse will always be domains, in my opinion. It sounds silly to the technical demographic, but to a normal person, it is a massive issue. "Which server do I choose to get in bed with?" It's not just a question of which server do you trust to be a good actor and to not shut down tomorrow. It's also a question of which domain name do you want associated with your user account? Do you want alice@…

>When I sign up for gmail, I can just be myself. I don't have to be myself + something else. Well, it's still you + gmail.com. It could be you + fastmail.com, it could be you + posteo.de, it could be you + . You still chose gmail over another provider, like you could choose cucumbers.pizza over another provider in the case of the Fediverse.

The point was that GMail became so ubiquitus as to no longer be a part of the equation. I remember in 2009~ forms automatically adding @gmail.com.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by rajman187 »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #77
emersion wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>When I sign up for gmail, I can just be myself. I don't have to be myself + something else. Well, it's still you + gmail.com. It could be you + fastmail.com, it could be you + posteo.de, it could be you + . You still chose gmail over another provider, like you could choose cucumbers.pizza over another provider in the case of the Fediverse.

The point was that GMail became so ubiquitus as to no longer be a part of the equation. I remember in 2009~ forms automatically adding @gmail.com.

Then this could not be the reason they won—initially it was not the “ubiquity of gmail” as it was just new to the market and could not be synonymous with email. They won by providing a good service for free with an ever-increasing capacity and iterating over features. Note that I’m not suggesting it was perfect or the best solution; plenty of questionable decisions made along the way (the way inbox was handled comes to mind)

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Post by soulofmischief »

Barrin92 wrote: post #75
soulofmischief wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has more to do with these recent YT changes causing big issues with monetization and community-building. Less revenue, but also comments are now disabled for example. If you make content which could in any way be aimed for kids, or has kids appearing in the video (with some nuances) then you don't get comments which are huge for building a community. And if you get it wrong, the video or channel could be demonitiz…

The only reason you even have ad revenue is because the platform is in a state that allows the general public to use it. Yes, these things are hassles but on youtube you have access to an audience of billions, youtube eats the entire infrastructure costs and manages virtually everything for you. What do you get on peer tube, 500 views and laggy 480p videos, and no advertisement revenue at all?

I agree with you, and I have in mind a pretty decent solution worth exploring if I can generate the capital to throw at it. It involves separating the ad experience from the videos being consumed. You can still work out targeted deals, but the gist is that the advertiser generally has no control over which videos are seen before and after their ads and have no incentive to find out.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by jccalhoun »

olah_1 wrote: post #7

The problem for the Fediverse will always be domains, in my opinion. It sounds silly to the technical demographic, but to a normal person, it is a massive issue. "Which server do I choose to get in bed with?" It's not just a question of which server do you trust to be a good actor and to not shut down tomorrow. It's also a question of which domain name do you want associated with your user account? Do you want alice@…

not having a .com and one standard domain does make it tough. I know when Mastadon first got hyped I went to sign up and it asked to pick a federated server. I have no idea which one I picked.
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