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Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by 3131s »

m3kw9 wrote: post #12

I find it curious that all unclassified UFO videos are blurry and very hard to decipher

There are images and videos of the Hangzhou UFO:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/TEAMaZ4LhjI/AAAAAAAAD0...

https://www.elitereaders.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ufo-...

https://newsinstact.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/3-news-uf...

This has clips from multiple videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=0CYFEZFNl6E...

The story has at least been vetted by ABC News, who reported that this sighting caused the Xiaoshan Airport in Hangzhou to shut down.

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by puranjay »

tofof wrote: post #23

It occurs to me that, should extraterrestrial life exist - we might be more likely to be visited first by rules-flouting rogue individuals than by an official mission. This also neatly explains problems like the "aliens have interstellar travel, but not spectroscopy and can be stopped by wooden doors" mentioned elsewhere in the comments -- A couple of good ol' boys off to deface a nature preserve (Earth to our aliens…

I wonder if we're just too uninteresting to be visited by extraterrestrial life. Maybe there is a part of the universe that's teeming with life and resources that extraterrestrials prefer to visit instead.

Going by our own immediate galactical neighborhood, we're a veritable oasis in a desert as far as life is concerned.

So maybe they've mapped out the galaxies, discovered our little planet, and decided that it's too little reward for too much travel.

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by autokad »

beaner wrote: post #45
lend000 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mick West's explanation of "Go Fast" seems highly plausible (the video could be reproduced by a weather balloon, with parallax producing the difficulty of getting a radar lock and the appearance of fast movement). But for the other two, even ignoring witness testimony, it seems like grasping at straws to fit a narrative to a predetermined conclusion.

The parallax explanation for the gofast video seems less believable when you view the video and consider the beginning of the footage, when the camera seems near-fixed and the object is flying quickly by it, and the operator has to actively track and lock-on to the moving object.

i dont understand how the background behind the 'balloon' could be moving so fast. I dont think it was a ufo, but I definitely do not think it was a balloon.

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by gremlinsinc »

postalrat wrote: post #58
rtsil wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> considering we may be less than a century from self sustaining space stations The jump between space stations and interstellar travel is huge. I agree that it's improbable that we're the only planet with life, but being visited by aliens is as, if not more, improbable. Consider the age of the universe, our (humanity, with the ability to apprehend the existence of alien life) existence in it is but a blip. What are…

If they are sending out probes how long do those probes remain active? Can they repair themselves or build more on their own? I assume that is what we would be seeing.

We should create message bots and probes who basically explore far reaches of space and categorize data, send it back to all other nodes and essentially make as detailed a 'map' of life/discoveries/etc so that not only we could use it benignly but so could other species who come after us. Assuming they could figure out and translate/understand how we categorize it.

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Post by gremlinsinc »

crashity2 wrote: post #51
lend000 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a thread, too. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22353309 Frankly, I don't think these videos alone are the highest quality evidence of this kind of thing, but they are interesting because it is difficult to dispute the credibility of the witnesses and the timeline of events described by them. Usually you get some tangible evidence (video) or solid witness testimony, not both at the same time. I've never cl…

Great Filter... you mean like a pandemic brought about by a population density and economic footprint that exceeds the carrying capacity of the planet? Handled ineffectively by a retarded former reality TV host? With a population desperate to "get back to business" at the peak of the disease because they want someone to do their nails? No way a technological society could destroy itself through collective stupidity..…

Checks notes..yeah this works.. also checks notes.. nope this isn't reddit. (seems more like a reddit comment, an observation not a critique).

I think honestly humanity is being squandered by income inequality. Imagine if money wasn't an issue for anyone. Imagine that we had a HUGE appreciation of science so much so that 90% of kids grow up to be scientists and explorers.

Surely that would get us to have higher and better technologies and also get us further in space flight. But instead elites would rather the potential scientists of the future 'know their place' and remain there in poverty never getting a degree/etc...

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by imtringued »

kart23 wrote: post #52
MarcScott wrote: post #22

I thought this was a pretty good explanation of the 3 sightings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus

It doesnt say anything about the radar readings recieved, or the pilots reactions. You dont think these navy pilots know what planes look like on their radar and thermals? Mutiple ship and aircraft radar picked up consistent readings, movements, speeds that simply weren't possible. Personally, I think it's some black-budget government project that somebody wasn't supposed to reveal. It might be from us, it might be f…

The starting assumption was that the footage is showing things that are physically impossible. You do not actually need to find out the truth to disprove that statement. You just need to find a single counter example and that is exactly what the video is doing.

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by imtringued »

puranjay wrote: post #82
tofof wrote: post #23

It occurs to me that, should extraterrestrial life exist - we might be more likely to be visited first by rules-flouting rogue individuals than by an official mission. This also neatly explains problems like the "aliens have interstellar travel, but not spectroscopy and can be stopped by wooden doors" mentioned elsewhere in the comments -- A couple of good ol' boys off to deface a nature preserve (Earth to our aliens…

I wonder if we're just too uninteresting to be visited by extraterrestrial life. Maybe there is a part of the universe that's teeming with life and resources that extraterrestrials prefer to visit instead. Going by our own immediate galactical neighborhood, we're a veritable oasis in a desert as far as life is concerned. So maybe they've mapped out the galaxies, discovered our little planet, and decided that it's too…

Finding exoplanets is far harder than you think. The only way to meaningfully inspect a planet is by visiting it.

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by imtringued »

EmilioMartinez wrote: post #34
croissants wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Section bias seems like a misnomer for this situation. It'd be selection bias if grainy blurry alien videos were more likely to get popular than high-def ones. There doesn't seem to be any kind of "selection" to be biased here.

The selection occurs when hi-res videos depict so clearly what is actually going on that it's revealed to be some mundane event, and doesn't even qualify as a UFO any more (even if it were positively identified as an alien spacecraft, in which case afawk it remains classified)

The reverse argument is that if blurry evidence of aliens exists and aliens are real then there is also lots of extremely clear evidence of aliens that has never been released to the public. I find it unlikely that we haven't had a leak yet. The reality is that this extremely clear evidence and the aliens that it is supposedly depicting simply does not exist.

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by acqq »

MarcScott wrote: post #22

I thought this was a pretty good explanation of the 3 sightings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus

That's only the reminder in the sense of "I've made other videos before about that" of Mick West. The relevant playlist of Mick West with many videos with detailed analysis is:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-4ZqTjKmhn5Qr0tCHkCV...

For example

https://youtu.be/4Btns91W5J8

Explains how the camera's automatic tracking system contributes to the appearance of movements which aren't real at all.

Or:

https://youtu.be/PLyEO0jNt6M

how the appearance of the "fast movement" is actually due to the plane speed, not the speed of the object observed, which is almost certainly something simple like a weather balloon

...and much more details there.

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by Johnjonjoan »

autokad wrote: post #83
beaner wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parallax explanation for the gofast video seems less believable when you view the video and consider the beginning of the footage, when the camera seems near-fixed and the object is flying quickly by it, and the operator has to actively track and lock-on to the moving object.

i dont understand how the background behind the 'balloon' could be moving so fast. I dont think it was a ufo, but I definitely do not think it was a balloon.

Imagine the balloon is 2km up and the plane is 8km up. The balloon is stationary and the plane moving fast. The plane centres a camera on the balloon and maintains the centre.

As the plane flies over the balloon it is going to need to move the camera to keep it centred. When it does this the balloon remains centered (stationary) whilst the ground appears to move under it. However its just that the angle the camera is at had to change to keep the balloon centered giving the allusion that the ground is moving relative to the balloon.

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