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Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by njharman »

spacefearing wrote: post #9

If there are aliens flying around, it would be nice if at least one country made high quality evidence public. The U.S. Navy videos are intriguing but very far from conclusive. And yet they are likely withholding a ton more data that citizens should have access to. If it's all a cover story for top secret stuff, then it's likely an unnecessary deception. I doubt any U.S. military project is actually safe from Chinese…

> If it's all a cover story for top secret stuff,

Probably not all, but some.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/03/us/cia-admits-government-...

> I doubt any U.S. military project is actually safe from Chinese and Russian spies.

Governments are interested in keeping the truth from others than just nation states. Their own citizens for instance, as article points out.

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Post by EmilioMartinez »

jiggawatts wrote: post #17
m3kw9 wrote: post #12

I find it curious that all unclassified UFO videos are blurry and very hard to decipher

Currently, the human race has several billion cameras readily available to take footage of rare occurrences. Not just mobile phones, but think also of CCTV security cameras, dash cams, etc... The simple logical conclusion is that footage of rare but real events ought to be more readily available. And in fact, that's exactly what's observed! There is now a wide variety of high quality videos to choose from, if what yo…

Sadly we are living in the very short window in which a decent resolution video of events is worth anything. Soon enough video synthesis will forever render that option useless.

In the years to come people will forget that during this time we saw no reliable proof, and fall for bullshti clickbait fake videos.

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Post by EmilioMartinez »

croissants wrote: post #30
david-gpu wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they were clear and high-definition, they would be identified. Selection bias at work.

Section bias seems like a misnomer for this situation. It'd be selection bias if grainy blurry alien videos were more likely to get popular than high-def ones. There doesn't seem to be any kind of "selection" to be biased here.

The selection occurs when hi-res videos depict so clearly what is actually going on that it's revealed to be some mundane event, and doesn't even qualify as a UFO any more (even if it were positively identified as an alien spacecraft, in which case afawk it remains classified)

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by takeda »

Renaud wrote: post #27
MarcScott wrote: post #22

I thought this was a pretty good explanation of the 3 sightings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus

Another one released today by Thunderf00t: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhAC2YiYHs

Also, I could swear I saw the gimbal and flir videos few years earlier. The time of release also seems like this is an attempt to draw attention away from the disinfectant and UV light blunder, as this administration did many times before.

The fact that one of the videos is called gimbal and another FLIR Forward Looking InfraRed), tells us that Pentagon knows those are artifacts and most likely those are training videos on how to distinguish artifacts from a real thing.

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Post by agumonkey »

lend000 wrote: post #26
MarcScott wrote: post #22

I thought this was a pretty good explanation of the 3 sightings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus

Mick West's explanation of "Go Fast" seems highly plausible (the video could be reproduced by a weather balloon, with parallax producing the difficulty of getting a radar lock and the appearance of fast movement). But for the other two, even ignoring witness testimony, it seems like grasping at straws to fit a narrative to a predetermined conclusion.

I liked the optical distortion idea. It's not super fitting to me, but it was a nice thought.

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Post by lend000 »

ak217 wrote: post #29
lend000 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mick West's explanation of "Go Fast" seems highly plausible (the video could be reproduced by a weather balloon, with parallax producing the difficulty of getting a radar lock and the appearance of fast movement). But for the other two, even ignoring witness testimony, it seems like grasping at straws to fit a narrative to a predetermined conclusion.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20019375

I have a thread, too.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22353309

Frankly, I don't think these videos alone are the highest quality evidence of this kind of thing, but they are interesting because it is difficult to dispute the credibility of the witnesses and the timeline of events described by them. Usually you get some tangible evidence (video) or solid witness testimony, not both at the same time.

I've never clearly seen anything with my own two eyes that I couldn't explain in prosaic terms. However, I know groups of people saner than I who have, and science suggests its highly improbable we are the only planet with life [0], let alone the first one to evolve a sophisticated civilization. People come up with Great Filter hypotheses and what not to compensate, but considering we may be less than a century from self sustaining space stations, that hypothesis is running out of air for its only known test trial.

It kind of sucks to think we don't really have manifest destiny with the universe, but the burden of proof is on the skeptics to prove there are some really damning parameters for the Drake Equation before saying it is so unlikely that there are aliens in our neighborhood.

[0] https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/news/1350/are-we-alone-in-the-un...

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Post by AwaAwa »

elliekelly wrote: post #28
tofof wrote: post #23

It occurs to me that, should extraterrestrial life exist - we might be more likely to be visited first by rules-flouting rogue individuals than by an official mission. This also neatly explains problems like the "aliens have interstellar travel, but not spectroscopy and can be stopped by wooden doors" mentioned elsewhere in the comments -- A couple of good ol' boys off to deface a nature preserve (Earth to our aliens…

I haven’t stopped thinking about this since the American missionary was killed by the uncontacted Sentinelese people. What if Earth is the uncontacted & protected community of the galaxy?

The short story "The road not taken" by Harry Turtledove springs to mind.

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by rtsil »

elliekelly wrote: post #28
tofof wrote: post #23

It occurs to me that, should extraterrestrial life exist - we might be more likely to be visited first by rules-flouting rogue individuals than by an official mission. This also neatly explains problems like the "aliens have interstellar travel, but not spectroscopy and can be stopped by wooden doors" mentioned elsewhere in the comments -- A couple of good ol' boys off to deface a nature preserve (Earth to our aliens…

I haven’t stopped thinking about this since the American missionary was killed by the uncontacted Sentinelese people. What if Earth is the uncontacted & protected community of the galaxy?

That supposes Earth is special and deserves a particular treatment.

It seems likelier that we are too far from interstellar civilisations to be visited by them, or that there's no interstellar civilisations because of a Great Filter, or even simply that earth is not interesting enough for them to visit. Or worse, they do visit, but the human race is not interesting enough for them to make their presence known to it.

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