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Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by georgyo »

Udik wrote: post #65
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Essentially France has said Google, being a monopoly, is not allowed to refuse to provide this service. They must do it, they must pay for it.

Solution: keep running google news, but without the snippets. You search for news, you get a set of mute links to articles from various sources.

The ruling states they _must_ index, provide snippets, and pay.

Google did remove the snippets, which hurt the news sites traffic, such is mostly Google referrals. This ruling makes it so they must index and pay.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by _8j50 »

izacus wrote: post #28
_8j50 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Google derives value from news site's content. Advertisers pay google for clicks,if google treated news sites the same as any other site there would be no problem but google is adding additional value to their own product at the expense of news sites without additonal compensation. You seem to think it is a priviledge to be listed on google, I disagree, it is a priviledge for google to be allowed to conduct busi…

> Why? Google derives value from news site's content. Advertisers pay google for clicks,if google treated news sites the same as any other site there would be no problem but google is adding additional value to their own product at the expense of news sites without additonal compensation. Hmm, sorry, this makes no sense - in this context the only possible advertisers are the news companies themselves (this is how you…

People use more of Google because it does a good job of aggregating news and displaying summary content of news sites. Since people search more on Google as a result that means more revenue for Google. Similar to how Google derives value from Chrome.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by panzagl »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #34
trekrich wrote: post #10

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They should, and when they come back asking for it all to be undone they should say no. Let them swim for a little bit so france does not try this again. This was tried in spain, and quickly reversed.

So what you're saying is Google should have more power and authority than actual nations.

Yes. In most cases even individual persons should have more power and authority than actual nations.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by mindslight »

qnsi wrote: post #55
mindslight wrote: post #36

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Google is responsible for burning the Internet to the ground. In general, Silicon Valley companies pretend to be creating Internet-ethos software while actually creating centrally administered proprietary services that are lightning rods for regulation. The net effect is helping to immunize incumbent power structures against real decentralized communications. This decision would have necessarily been different if the…

why do you think no decentralized community worked? In my humble opinion it's because users don't actually care about them. Twitter is pretty open, meaning you can write pretty much anything you want and it helped topple some power structures in middle east. what do you think would happen in the USA if there were only open source software on the Internet?

Gobs of investment money, predicated on capturing sticky network effects down the line, outcompetes volunteer projects.

Twitter is an extension of the US power structure. Destabilizing the Middle East is in line with US policy. But for example, where are the official Twitter accounts of ISIS et al?

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by matheusmoreira »

panzagl wrote: post #84
matheusmoreira wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what you're saying is Google should have more power and authority than actual nations.

Yes. In most cases even individual persons should have more power and authority than actual nations.

Individuals? Yeah. Corporations? No. There is a significant power difference between individuals and corporations and it should be balanced by justice.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by bvandewalle »

jimmaswell wrote: post #4

Europe's not going to stop until the internet is totally burned to the ground, are they?

I will take Europe over the US where my private data is being sold by Facebook and Google to the highest bidder without any single law protecting me. Sure some of those laws are a pain but they are needed checks and balances to avoid living in a dystopian world.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by _8j50 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #69
_8j50 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Google derives value from news site's content. Advertisers pay google for clicks,if google treated news sites the same as any other site there would be no problem but google is adding additional value to their own product at the expense of news sites without additonal compensation. You seem to think it is a priviledge to be listed on google, I disagree, it is a priviledge for google to be allowed to conduct busi…

Who benefits whom? Does Google gain more from listing the sites, or do the sites gain more from being listed? (They're selling ads to make money, too, you know.) I would guess that a news site makes more out of having an article listed than Google does from listing the article. It seems a bit unreasonable to make Google also pay. Why not have the news site pay to be listed? They're making money from it, too...

I think you are only looking at the most obvious at the expense of everything else. Ig google is my go to place for news, I would also use them to search for either news related or unrelated terms. If all news sites were unlisted from Google but remained on Bing, Bing's search revenue would increase and Google's will decrease.

I don't know who makes more money out of the relationship, that is not the problem here. Even if news sites make more moneyz they did not sign a contract with Google accepting this financial relationship. If google treats any sites in a special way to increase their own popularity or brand value, even if that site is already benefiting from the relationship Google must either get all the sites consent or negotiate payment.

If a person goes to a news site, the news site makes more moneu but that's a big if. The special treatment means people will glance at headlines and outlines extracted from the news sites and only click on a few sites. This special treatment means less ad clicks for news sites as compared to normal google listings

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by [deleted] »

mindslight wrote: post #85
qnsi wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why do you think no decentralized community worked? In my humble opinion it's because users don't actually care about them. Twitter is pretty open, meaning you can write pretty much anything you want and it helped topple some power structures in middle east. what do you think would happen in the USA if there were only open source software on the Internet?

Gobs of investment money, predicated on capturing sticky network effects down the line, outcompetes volunteer projects. Twitter is an extension of the US power structure. Destabilizing the Middle East is in line with US policy. But for example, where are the official Twitter accounts of ISIS et al?

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Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by kinkrtyavimoodh »

bvandewalle wrote: post #87
jimmaswell wrote: post #4

Europe's not going to stop until the internet is totally burned to the ground, are they?

I will take Europe over the US where my private data is being sold by Facebook and Google to the highest bidder without any single law protecting me. Sure some of those laws are a pain but they are needed checks and balances to avoid living in a dystopian world.

You are lucky then that you are literally wrong. Neither FB nor Google are selling your data to anyone.
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