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Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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You sound exactly like the kind of person you'd like to see branded. You first.

There's a less extreme analog that is fairly widely accepted: "intolerant of intolerance."

Though hyperbole is rarely accepted on HN and the OP might just be trolling, in some cultures this type of over-the-top musing is equivalent (when in that cultural context) to saying "intolerant of intolerance" and shouldn't always be taken literally.

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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If they remove enough to detect it was adulterated then would it trigger the allergic reaction though?

Removal isn't the only thing that happens. Sometimes they add in stuff like pollen. Also, just because they fool the particular testing tools that labs use doesn't mean you as a consumer won't have an adverse reaction to whatever it was they put in to the honey. The problem with adulteration isn't exclusively limited to harmful health effects either. Even if your health would not be adversely affected by the adultera…

Not to mention that if you actually would have been satisfied with corn syrup, you could presumably have gotten it at a better price by buying a bottle of corn syrup than by paying for a bottle labeled "honey" containing corn syrup.

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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The problem, if it is even a problem, is that 99% of the reason we initially sought out honey no longer exists. We liked it because it was the purest source of sugar that was available. We didn't care that it happened to be bee vomit flavored with a bit of plant sperm, or that we were exploiting the reproductive strategies of flowering plants, we just wanted the sweet. This is similar with maple syrup, which comes fr…

I like birch sap/juice/water with mint like here

https://www.amazon.de/Dovgan-Birkensaft-mit-Minzgeschmack-Pa...

Probably not the "real" thing like the locals who produce it have, but as a city dweller i'm happy to be able to put it in my shopping cart. Once exotic and only to be had in russian speciality markets, it popped up in larger supermarkets with a full sortiment in the russian isles, and in the last few weeks even Lidl had it.

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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The problem, if it is even a problem, is that 99% of the reason we initially sought out honey no longer exists. We liked it because it was the purest source of sugar that was available. We didn't care that it happened to be bee vomit flavored with a bit of plant sperm, or that we were exploiting the reproductive strategies of flowering plants, we just wanted the sweet. This is similar with maple syrup, which comes fr…

I like birch sap/juice/water with mint like here https://www.amazon.de/Dovgan-Birkensaft-mit-Minzgeschmack-Pa... Probably not the "real" thing like the locals who produce it have, but as a city dweller i'm happy to be able to put it in my shopping cart. Once exotic and only to be had in russian speciality markets, it popped up in larger supermarkets with a full sortiment in the russian isles, and in the last few week…

and guess what, bees go nuts over stuff like that.

if you have access to a lot of raw birch sap you can have birch honey which is dark and robust, and quite dear unless you have acreage of birch trees and a ^lot^ of bees in spring.

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And your olive oil might not be olive oil. Our daughter is allergic to sunflower oil which is commonly used to adulterate the olive oil. Chips supposedly made with olive oil will sometimes give her a rash. For bottled olive oil we try to buy local California olive oil...,

If you want a quick way to test if your olive oil is actually extra virgin olive oil, get a green laser. When it passes through sufficiently pure olive oil the laser will change colour and become red, and then become green again when it passes out of the oil. Obviously make sure you practice responsible laser safety, even for a cheap low-wattage laser.

Fascinating! I was skeptical at first how the monochromatic light would "turn red", but on investigation olive oil is flourescent!

https://www.physicscentral.com/experiment/physicsathome/fluo...

I was looking around with a 532nm green laser pointer the other day, and found that it was almost totally attenuated when aimed at the red (cheap/fake) nectar in my hummingbird feeder. Further experimentation revealed that orange Gatorade was similarly super-absorbent, while beer was pretty transparent to the green light.

Just bought some Tonda Iblea DOP-certified oil and will be interested to try this! It's subjectively delicious, curious if it's objectively flourescent (and if my everyday supermarket olive oil is not).

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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The problem, if it is even a problem, is that 99% of the reason we initially sought out honey no longer exists. We liked it because it was the purest source of sugar that was available. We didn't care that it happened to be bee vomit flavored with a bit of plant sperm, or that we were exploiting the reproductive strategies of flowering plants, we just wanted the sweet. This is similar with maple syrup, which comes fr…

Well, I like honey because good honey tastes different from plain sugar. Traveling in Greece I tasted some honeys that were unlike anything I had ever tasted before, ranging from bitter, to floral, to earthy. It's the sweetness, sure, but not only the sweetness.

I suspect you can get equal or better flavors elsewhere. If it comes from the clover, couldn't you just get them from the flowers?

I'm not suggesting honey flavors have no benefit, but it just seems odd that we have chosen those specific flavors as being tasty (honey and maple), when their primary attraction was that they came with sugar which was otherwise scarce (but no longer is).

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From an environmental perspective, sure. But not from an economic perspective. That's great if they can sell it and make money to subsidize the other part of their business (pollination). But if the economics aren't there, that's unrealistic. Remember, honey bees harvest honey as food for themselves during winter. If you take away their honey, then you need to feed them sugar. The most practical thing is to leave the…

Honey sells at a premium to refined sugar. Your argument doesn't make any sense.

Honey sells at a premium, sure, as does flavored sugar that people think is honey.

I think you're missing my point but I don't have time to elaborate.

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From an environmental perspective, sure. But not from an economic perspective. That's great if they can sell it and make money to subsidize the other part of their business (pollination). But if the economics aren't there, that's unrealistic. Remember, honey bees harvest honey as food for themselves during winter. If you take away their honey, then you need to feed them sugar. The most practical thing is to leave the…

> Remember, honey bees harvest honey as food for themselves during winter. This is only in some parts of the world. My bees have never known winter.

So why do bees go to so much effort to make honey? To please humans?

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> Remember, honey bees harvest honey as food for themselves during winter. This is only in some parts of the world. My bees have never known winter.

So why do bees go to so much effort to make honey? To please humans?

They're saving for a rainy day.

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>In fact, it s documented that groups of 2-3 men, throughout world tribes, routinely killed and still kill those excessively violent individuals -- that gut reaction is what has helped us survive as a species. that's just a political swing away from turning majorly corrupt. one major difference between modern society and tribalistic societies is the idea of checks and balances. tl;dr : what happens when that group of…

It's corrupt as soon as politics enters in the least. Since the idea of permanently disfiguring someone is all about how we want other people to mistreat them for the rest of their lives, this horrific branding idea is all politics. If anything it's a slur against the admittedly noble idea of humans banding together with their neighbors to commit violence in the common defense. That violence is done quietly, in secret, or else it is a lynch mob, which is very political.
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