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Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by asjw »

haspok wrote: post #74

How does eOS cope with multiple displays? This is something both Gnome/Unity and KDE suck at. KDE just gets total confused when I connect or disconnect a new display, windows jump all over the place, sometimes they move out of the visible screen area if I switch between hiDPI and non-hiDPI displays, or even just disconnect and then reconnect a UHD monitor. I've seen some reports pointing fingers at Qt as the main cul…

Strange, because I use plasma (and XFCE before that) and apart some minor issue with scaling it works without problems on a 4k laptop monitor plus 2 external HiDpi monitors

Display port works better than HDMI though

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by asjw »

joshklein wrote: post #69
joshklein wrote: post #63

Is global menu possible on Elementary yet? Searches only turn up old links for the now-dead unity style, but nothing based on libdbusmenu. Still seems to me that Plasma with libdbusmenu-qt5 is the closest interface paradigm to MacOS for people trying to swap (not that there aren’t other problems), but glib and gtk versions exist so someone out there must be working on it?

Replying to myself with more info: This is proving exceptionally hard to search the web for, so apologies if this is out of date, but it seems the answer was “no, and it never will be, so stop asking” as of 2018: https://twitter.com/danielfore/status/991836014070022144 Was this from before Elementary was positioning as the MacOS replacement? I can’t be the only one who thinks the global menu is one of the MacOS inter…

Mac OS global menu is okish only on Mac

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by kabacha »

joshklein wrote: post #69
joshklein wrote: post #63

Is global menu possible on Elementary yet? Searches only turn up old links for the now-dead unity style, but nothing based on libdbusmenu. Still seems to me that Plasma with libdbusmenu-qt5 is the closest interface paradigm to MacOS for people trying to swap (not that there aren’t other problems), but glib and gtk versions exist so someone out there must be working on it?

Replying to myself with more info: This is proving exceptionally hard to search the web for, so apologies if this is out of date, but it seems the answer was “no, and it never will be, so stop asking” as of 2018: https://twitter.com/danielfore/status/991836014070022144 Was this from before Elementary was positioning as the MacOS replacement? I can’t be the only one who thinks the global menu is one of the MacOS inter…

Wow, that guy seems to be completely out of touch with desktop UI and UX. His main source of arguments is that iOS and Android doesn't do X, so Elementary shouldn't either - a what now? Is he really comparing a touchbased small screen device OS that is primarily used for casual applications to keyboard/mouse desktop that is often used in a complex professional environments?

That's one way to kill any credibility you had I guess.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

zozbot234 wrote: post #80
eptcyka wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the exact opposite experience - the microphone doesn't work, everything is incredibly slow, my SO is buying a Windows 10 licence this christmas. It's a shame, the user was just fine with Cinnamon on Debian 5 years ago, but that machine and software is no longer good enough.

"Linux" and "everything is incredibly slow" should not belong in the same sentence. Did you try installing an up-to-date Debian? Not sure if Debian packages Pantheon desktop already, but there are plenty of workable alternatives. For the microphone not working, you'd have to check what's going on in Pulseaudio and ALSA - both of these can be problematic at times.

> Not sure if Debian packages Pantheon desktop already

It does not, sadly. There is an unofficial third party repo but it’s very much unsupported by both Debian and elementary.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by geolgau »

haspok wrote: post #74

How does eOS cope with multiple displays? This is something both Gnome/Unity and KDE suck at. KDE just gets total confused when I connect or disconnect a new display, windows jump all over the place, sometimes they move out of the visible screen area if I switch between hiDPI and non-hiDPI displays, or even just disconnect and then reconnect a UHD monitor. I've seen some reports pointing fingers at Qt as the main cul…

Wait a minute! I use KDE Plasma for at least 2 years constantly and it knows my monitors. I use one at work and one at home and when I plug them it automatically changes resolution and keeps the wallpaper I set for each. Also, got a lot of colleagues switch to Plasma from Gnome for exactly this reason!

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by michaelmrose »

ossworkerrights wrote: post #45

Wondering how copyright infringement applies to Open Source Software. This OS looks a lot like MacOS, making it a free a clone.

Copyright attaches to the literal code, text, or art. Making something that looks vaguely similar cannot infringe on the owners copyright.

Trademark covers the idea of knock offs but honestly similarities are skin deep and would be trying to protect vague similarities where there exists no confusion.

Even if it were possible to make a case Apple owes more to open source than vice versa and it would be terrible publicity

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by saintPirelli »

eptcyka wrote: post #67
saintPirelli wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just last week I wrote a blog post about installing eOS on my SO's parents PC. They are not technical at all yet they have had (close to) no problem with switching from Windows to Linux thanks to eOS.

I have the exact opposite experience - the microphone doesn't work, everything is incredibly slow, my SO is buying a Windows 10 licence this christmas. It's a shame, the user was just fine with Cinnamon on Debian 5 years ago, but that machine and software is no longer good enough.

That sounds like a bummer, everything was working just fine pretty much out-of-the-box, INCLUDING printer, scanner and WIFI, which are/were notoriously frustrating to set up on a Linux machine.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by izacus »

zozbot234 wrote: post #80
eptcyka wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the exact opposite experience - the microphone doesn't work, everything is incredibly slow, my SO is buying a Windows 10 licence this christmas. It's a shame, the user was just fine with Cinnamon on Debian 5 years ago, but that machine and software is no longer good enough.

"Linux" and "everything is incredibly slow" should not belong in the same sentence. Did you try installing an up-to-date Debian? Not sure if Debian packages Pantheon desktop already, but there are plenty of workable alternatives. For the microphone not working, you'd have to check what's going on in Pulseaudio and ALSA - both of these can be problematic at times.

Slowness is usually a side effect of not having correct graphics drivers for 3d acceleration / composition.

It seems that the poster doesn't have a Linux compatible laptop so eOS or any other distro won't work well.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by yoz-y »

rcarmo wrote: post #37
jonny383 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which parts are nicer? What makes them nicer?

Every single bit of the desktop is nicer than stock GNOME. Preferences, the terminal, the dock, window decorations, you name it. It’s just visually polished and _consistent_ to a degree I haven’t found in any other distro yet.

Consistency is the word. Elementary applications stick to the interface guidelines very well.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by zozbot234 »

izacus wrote: post #88
zozbot234 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Linux" and "everything is incredibly slow" should not belong in the same sentence. Did you try installing an up-to-date Debian? Not sure if Debian packages Pantheon desktop already, but there are plenty of workable alternatives. For the microphone not working, you'd have to check what's going on in Pulseaudio and ALSA - both of these can be problematic at times.

Slowness is usually a side effect of not having correct graphics drivers for 3d acceleration / composition. It seems that the poster doesn't have a Linux compatible laptop so eOS or any other distro won't work well.

> Slowness is usually a side effect of not having correct graphics drivers for 3d acceleration / composition.

This is generally fixed by installing "non-free" firmware. Some distros may also work better than others, e.g. some hardware is better supported in Fedora than Debian or its derivatives.

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