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Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by erik_p »

msy wrote: post #39

You know between Java, Hudson and moves like this it feels like we're ripe for an Onion-style article about Oracle execs running out of ideas for pissing off the OSS community and so doing a road-trip around the country to individually insult every OSS developer and user in the most graphic and personal way they can think of.

What's that Oracle?

What? You pooped in Monty's refrigerator? And you ate the whole... wheel of cheese? How'd you do that? Heck, I'm not even mad; that's amazing.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by thecoffman »

steipete wrote: post #20

use mvim + NERDtree

I use this combination as well with one addition - topfunky's peepopen (http://peepcode.com/products/peepopen). Works like an improved version of Textmate's fuzzy find - even displays Git metadata inline. Its not free - but its worth it imo to have something a little more polished.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by shortlived »

gaoshan wrote: post #61
mgkimsal wrote: post #8

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http://www.jetbrains.com/ruby/ Eclipse also has support for Ruby, no? Sort of sad to see this happen, but I'd prefer they keep netbeans going and streamline it to be really good at a few things, rather than being 'ok' at lots of stuff. Ruby doesn't really fit with Oracle's offerings, although PHP doesn't either. Perhaps PHP support will be dropped in the future?

Ugh, I hope not. I've wedded Netbeans to my PHP development process (and projects) rather tightly so the thought of having to switch (especially to something I find inferior like Eclipse) makes me nervous.

I would love to know why you think netbeans is inferior to eclipse? Perhaps for Java, it's a different story, because Eclipse is so much better than NB.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by bphogan »

hopeless wrote: post #60
steveklabnik wrote: post #37

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ruby-debug?

urgh... yes I've used it but I was hoping for something a little less 1980's. We can have multiple windows now ;-) I find it useful to be able to see the current stack, drill into variables, view my code with syntax highlighting, and the current line all at the same time. It helps me understand where I am.

RubyMine is something you may want to look into then. While it's commercial, you can often get a free license if you work on an open-source project.

(I won a free license as a prize at a conference a few years back and it's really quite nice.)

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by sigzero »

jasim wrote: post #78

RubyMine just tweeted: "We welcome all NetBeans users to start evaluating RubyMine as your new Ruby/Rails IDE! Expect some great news very soon on our pricing page!" It is a good product and superior to NetBeans in many ways. The price was a little on the higher side though (but worth it anyways). If it comes down, I expect RubyMine to become the de-facto IDE for Ruby/Rails.

For open source projects it is "free" and $69 for a one developer license. That isn't too bad. I use PyCharm and it is pretty good and the Jetbrains team is always responsive to my questions.

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Post by bowmande »

kj12345 wrote: post #38
bowmande wrote: post #9

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I use TextMate, but have been trying to make the switch to vim.

Are you seeing any benefit yet? (I've tried that switch myself but I think I gave up too early).

I used it for a couple of days, then switched back to TextMate. I am going to watch the PeepCode Vim series (http://peepcode.com/products/smash-into-vim-i) and I think that will give me some momentum.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by tres »

_pius wrote: post #28

Why do people use NetBeans for Rails?

I started out with textmate way back when. I actually started using NetBeans in hope that it would have decent support for Actionscript 3. I happened to find out about the Rails support later on & was very happy I did.

Here's some of the reasons I switched:

1) inline syntax checking

2) ability to click through to called method (command + click in os x)

3) ability to have multiple views of the same file (clone window)

4) ability to have split screen editing.

5) debugging

6) inline documentation instantly available for any built in, plugin or internal class (ctrl + space).

7) code completion / suggestion (this is not a lazy thing -- it's helpful for discovering what's available in any given class)

8) indenting in textmate was never fun. In NetBeans just command + shift + f and the whole file is properly indented.

Those are some of my reasons. Hopefully there's something else out there that can replace NetBeans for me. I've been extremely grateful for it -- especially at its price.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by kellishaver »

sigzero wrote: post #75
w1ntermute wrote: post #54

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How widely is NetBeans used by the RoR community? I'm (purely) guessing not very widely at all.

"Second: Although our Ruby support has historically been well received, based on existing low usage trends we are unable to justify the continued allocation of resources to support the feature." I would say, not a whole lot according to their trend analysis.

I don't agree with some of the things Oracle has done as of late, but that seems quite reasonable to me. If usage levels are quite low, then it is a waste of time to keep devoting resources to it.

Anecdotally, I don't know of a single RoR developer who uses Netbeans. Vim, Textmate and Emacs seem to be the editors of choice.

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Post by regularfry »

jamesbritt wrote: post #64
w1ntermute wrote: post #54

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How widely is NetBeans used by the RoR community? I'm (purely) guessing not very widely at all.

I've used it for (J)Ruby GUI development. The built-in WYSYWYG editor is pretty sweet, so Netbeans works very well as as an all-in-one dev tool for building JRuby + Swing + Monkeybars apps. I've never used it for any Rails development, and found the coupling of the Ruby packages with Rails gems, and the presumption in the add-ons that any Ruby project was a Rails project, a bit dopey. There seems to be no way to inst…

Just a quick "me too" here. It's a great combination for knocking together a quick GUI around whatever random hack the business needs today. I don't know of a Swing editor that's as good.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Post by regularfry »

kellishaver wrote: post #88
sigzero wrote: post #75

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"Second: Although our Ruby support has historically been well received, based on existing low usage trends we are unable to justify the continued allocation of resources to support the feature." I would say, not a whole lot according to their trend analysis.

I don't agree with some of the things Oracle has done as of late, but that seems quite reasonable to me. If usage levels are quite low, then it is a waste of time to keep devoting resources to it. Anecdotally, I don't know of a single RoR developer who uses Netbeans. Vim, Textmate and Emacs seem to be the editors of choice.

I would never have used Netbeans at all except for the fact that it had a decent Swing editor and JRuby support.

That being said, emacs is my day-to-day environment, Netbeans was never more than an occasional side tool.

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