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Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by matwood »

casion wrote: post #15
umvi wrote: post #5

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> We wake up students too early Based on what you just said, if we moved school to 10am, you would just stay up until 4am playing StarCraft. I don't think school is too early. I think you just stayed up too late.

I don't think this is true. When I was younger, I only could fall asleep at ~2am. I went to multiple schools with starting times varying from 5am to 12pm, it never made a difference. I just wasn't tired until 2am no matter what.

Maybe you're one of the very few genetic outliers. If you're never tired until 2am, and got up at say 6am for school then you're never tired on 4 hours sleep? I wish I was good on 4 hours sleep and never tired.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by t34543 »

EpicEng wrote: post #7
MperorM wrote: post #3

Lack of sleep was definitely the cause of my terrible grades in highschool mathematics. I would stay up late (1-2 am) to play in starcraft tournaments, to have 8 am classes in mathematics. (There's a neat inverse correlation between my highschool grades and starcraft rank) It's crazy to me just how terrible school systems are at optimizing for learning. I would get terrible headaches from classrooms that had too many…

>We wake up students too early I agree, but... you were staying up until 1-2am playing video games. C'mon.

Which is normal for most teens. School starts way too early.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by matwood »

baron816 wrote: post #57
astura wrote: post #45

Kids need a more sleep than adults, sometimes a lot more sleep. I don't think adults realize this sometimes, and kids can silently suffer as a result (and not even really understand they are suffering). It absolutely amazes me when I see young children out and about late at night because I had a very strict early bedtime as a child - 8pm early in life, 9pm starting my tween years. It was very much to my disdain at th…

Falling asleep that early is unnatural and very difficult at that age. I recall many nights trying to go to sleep early and lying in bed, stressing about not being able to sleep (making it even harder to sleep).

I had the same routine and was fine. I think having a consistent sleep routine is key.

What makes it unnatural? If you want to appeal to nature, how about turn off all the electricity in your house and see how late kids stay up with just a fire going.

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Post by lilgreenland »

masonic wrote: post #20
MperorM wrote: post #3

Lack of sleep was definitely the cause of my terrible grades in highschool mathematics. I would stay up late (1-2 am) to play in starcraft tournaments, to have 8 am classes in mathematics. (There's a neat inverse correlation between my highschool grades and starcraft rank) It's crazy to me just how terrible school systems are at optimizing for learning. I would get terrible headaches from classrooms that had too many…

in reality it was from co2 ppm How did you measure this?

I have a CO2 meter in my classroom. It would get up to 2000 ppm if the fan was off. At that level you might feel some very mild effects on energy and focus.

I keep the air intake on always now.

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Post by sbochins »

EpicEng wrote: post #7
MperorM wrote: post #3

Lack of sleep was definitely the cause of my terrible grades in highschool mathematics. I would stay up late (1-2 am) to play in starcraft tournaments, to have 8 am classes in mathematics. (There's a neat inverse correlation between my highschool grades and starcraft rank) It's crazy to me just how terrible school systems are at optimizing for learning. I would get terrible headaches from classrooms that had too many…

>We wake up students too early I agree, but... you were staying up until 1-2am playing video games. C'mon.

Part of the problem is adolescents tend to have a later internal clock. Ideally we would structure school around a later day to compensate for this. This doesn’t only apply to Starcraft players ;)

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Post by thekingofh »

clarry wrote: post #63
thrower123 wrote: post #42

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I agree completely. I'm certainly far more productive in the morning if there is not a standup or some recurring daily meeting scheduled... That defined interruption imposes a big cost in productivity beforehand. It squeezes everything. Why standups couldn't just be a handful of bullet points from each person when they spin up for the day in a Slack channel is something I have never quite understood.

No standups where I work. If I need to know what my coworkers are up to, I just ask them. If they need to know what I'm up to, they ask me. Works great. We rarely need to ask. If there is an issue that affects multiple people, we can talk about it on the issue tracker, where we see commits too.

I've watched how the morning standups are abused. The people with the authority to call them have wasted countless COUNTLESS hours of productivity going in circles about non-issues, just to flex their authority. If I'm upper management and I see daily meetings being called, I'm going to be quick to shut that down. Weekly is fine, but daily seems to me a misrepresentation of the amount of work that can be accomplished in one afternoon.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by cgriswald »

wrktanice wrote: post #53
cgriswald wrote: post #52

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Sleepiness in humans is driven by the number of hours they remain awake and by time of day, more or less independently. In teens sleep onset as a result of these are both delayed relative to children and adults. Certainly there are cases where tired teens stay up because they are stimulated the same as happens in adults. But generally speaking, teens don’t stay up because they are playing Starcraft. They play Starcra…

> teens don’t stay up because they are playing Starcraft. They play Starcraft because they are up. This is, at least in my experience, completely untrue. When I play Starcraft, I'll easily play till 2-3 am before I start feeling tired. And I'd continue playing, but I'm literally succumbing to exhaustion at that point. If I force myself to before that, say midnight, I start feeling tired almost immediately. And if I d…

Sure. But “Starcraft” in this instance is a metaphor for any activity. And he’s wasn’t staying up until 2-3 but until 1-2, and he wasn’t an adult. I didn’t have Starcraft growing up and I was still up that late, even if I was just lying in bed.

Re: Around 30 percent of children in the U.S. don't get enough sleep: study

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Post by tom_ »

planetzero wrote: post #38
tom_ wrote: post #29

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Such meetings can be held at any time of the day.

okay, so let's hold the meeting at 9:30am.

That is of course always an option. I said "any time", and 9:30 am is certainly a time.

But what about holding it at, say, 11 am, or 12 pm, or some other time that's later in the day and doesn't conflict with the lunch period? Then perhaps it would be OK for everybody, early risers and late risers alike. It's not like the day absolutely has to start with a meeting.

(If I wanted to punish people that like to get up early, I'd suggest holding it at 6 pm or something. That ought to cause maximum annoyance to people that are good at getting up early: not so late that it's an unreasonable demand, any more than 9:30 am is, but still late enough that it's probably going to mess about with how you'd naturally structure your work day.)

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