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Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

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Re: Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

#81

I don’t get why people are so crazy about climate change. There are multiple avenues to fixing it. It’s a very simple problem to solve. Some aspects might not be like ocean acidification but cooling the planet is well within our reach. And when it starts getting way too warm, everyone will realize what’s happening and everyone will work together on a solution. It’s already starting to happen. It’s not like a gamma ra…

Please tell me this “simple solution?” More importantly, is it, viable?

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#82
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A carbon tax is just massive scam built around this fear of global warning.

Is the great Pacific garbage patch a scam? Is the great Atlantic garbage patch a scam? Are industrial chemicals in aquifers a scam? Is methylmercury accumulation in seafaring life a scam? Is world heating, up to locations being human uninhabitable, a scam? Are the glaciers in the Arctic and Antarctic breaking off and melting, a scam? How much evidence do you need in convincing? Or is it just political posturing, and…

Let’s not accuse HN’ers of being Russian plants, it’s bad for discussion in my opinion. It’s rotting Reddit already.

Re: Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

#83
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Opened the article expecting it to be a more abstract cost. Turns out it's about economics. Christ alive. "Yeah, billions are gonna die, but what really matters is my house prices are gonna go down."

Who said that billions are gonna die? Frankly, if the solution to climate change will slow economic growth, I think that the highest human cost will come from the lack of growth. To put it in clear terms: lack of growth means that a sewage system, or a hospital, don't get built. This _will_ cause victims.

Almost as if tying essential public utilities to making some rich dude nut at his stock prices isn't a good idea

Re: Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Solving climate change can be as simple as getting a carbon price adopted. It needs to ramp up over time, allow a secondary market for offsets The simple solution to this big global catastrophe is my favorite money making scam. Here, just create this market for carbon credits. It makes my guys money while doing Jack shit. Seriously, if you think CO2 is the problem, the solution is to simply tax those that either t…

So one hand you're saying GP's opinion that pricing (taxing) carbon is a scam (?) that won't work. On the other hand you're saying we need to tax carbon? What exactly is it that you're saying?

Taxing it at the source until the market figures out an alternative will eliminate it. Other solutions are just politics and money making scams. That what I'm saying.

Re: Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

#85

(disclaimer: I work in a Climate&Energy research group) I just want to remind everyone that there are solutions to climate change. We know how to produce clean energy and sequester CO2. The current free market does not make those solutions profitable for investors, though, and we will have to change that. Solving climate change can be as simple as getting a carbon price adopted. It needs to ramp up over time, allow a…

One simple thing we can all do is never vote for a candidate if they are not for aggressive and immediate measures to combat global warming. If the roughly 60-75% of Americans who believe human activity is causing climate change were to stop voting for individuals who don't believe this, we'd have meaningful change coming from the federal government within 2 years.

What people _believe_ is largely irrelevant in almost all situations, whether you mean the voters or the elected officials. Only actions matter.

This is not just semantics, some who believe in global warming fly every month or week, some who don't believe in global warming have not flown their entire life (to pick just one example). The latter do more to mitigate it than the former.

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#87
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(disclaimer: I work in a Climate&Energy research group) I just want to remind everyone that there are solutions to climate change. We know how to produce clean energy and sequester CO2. The current free market does not make those solutions profitable for investors, though, and we will have to change that. Solving climate change can be as simple as getting a carbon price adopted. It needs to ramp up over time, allow a…

I'm asking out of ignorance. You're using the word "solutions". Do we know those are really "solutions", and not guesses for solutions? Like, will those actions reduce temperatures? It seems that some of what already happened, like melting of icebergs, is not easy to be revert.

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Re: Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

#88

(disclaimer: I work in a Climate&Energy research group) I just want to remind everyone that there are solutions to climate change. We know how to produce clean energy and sequester CO2. The current free market does not make those solutions profitable for investors, though, and we will have to change that. Solving climate change can be as simple as getting a carbon price adopted. It needs to ramp up over time, allow a…

One simple thing we can all do is never vote for a candidate if they are not for aggressive and immediate measures to combat global warming. If the roughly 60-75% of Americans who believe human activity is causing climate change were to stop voting for individuals who don't believe this, we'd have meaningful change coming from the federal government within 2 years.

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Re: Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

#89

Without criticizing the article at all, I want to point out that headlines like this go viral and make money, while the opposite ones would go nowhere. In other words, the news you see is selected by virality, not by how well they describe the real world. I have no cure or even complaint for this. I just think it's a very important thing to keep in mind.

I may have seen this exact headline maybe once a month for the past 10-15 years.

Re: Climate Change Will Cost Us Even More Than We Think

#90
post #31

A carbon tax is just massive scam built around this fear of global warning.

Is the great Pacific garbage patch a scam? Is the great Atlantic garbage patch a scam? Are industrial chemicals in aquifers a scam? Is methylmercury accumulation in seafaring life a scam? Is world heating, up to locations being human uninhabitable, a scam? Are the glaciers in the Arctic and Antarctic breaking off and melting, a scam? How much evidence do you need in convincing? Or is it just political posturing, and…

I don't deny that we are destroying the world and the ecosystems, but how is CO2 responsible for the garbage in the oceans?

10'000 years ago we were living an ice age. The prehistoric men didn't produce any CO2, yet our world has been warming up since then.

This CO2 thing is very convenient to come up with new taxes (to steal your money!)

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