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High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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After reading the article I had a brief hypothesis that higher estrogen levels would also be associated with non-heterosexuality. This study seems to strongly concur: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29159906/

> In the group with ASD, 69.7% of the sample reported being non-heterosexual, while in the TD group, 30.3% reported being non-heterosexual. The group with ASD reported higher rates of homosexuality, bisexuality and asexuality, but lower rates of heterosexuality

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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I read an article somewhere claiming that estrogen via Hormone Replacement Therapy actually reduces the symptoms of autism. It wasn't a scientific study, but it was written by someone who claimed to personally know several people who had observed this effect.

I find that difficult to believe. Estrogen isn't known to cause large behavioral changes like you've described. The changes in hormones can result in some emotional changes, but I cannot see how they would reduce symptoms of autism.

Found the original article if you're interested: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/06/28/why-are-transgender-pe...

I'm not saying I necessarily believe it, but it's one of the most interesting articles I've read recently.

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

#83

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I read an article somewhere claiming that estrogen via Hormone Replacement Therapy actually reduces the symptoms of autism. It wasn't a scientific study, but it was written by someone who claimed to personally know several people who had observed this effect.

As a trans woman, I agree this needs more study, and I have experienced something similar. And I'd like to have a word with whoever downvoted this.

Found the article https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/06/28/why-are-transgender-pe...

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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It’s just semantics. There are negative connotations associated with calling someone “normal” versus “abnormal”. I’m sure you’re polite enough to not describe people in wheel chairs as “abnormal”. The non-controversial terms that people use related to issues like autism are “neurotypical” and “neurodivergent”.

>It’s just semantics No it's not... I was responding to someone who said there is no "normal". Yeah, there is. Most people behave in a way you would expect. Most people exhibit motor controls the way you would expect. A minority of people, and specifically people with autism, really do think in a "different" way and exhibit strange motor functions at times that most people do not. I don't think we have to dance aroun…

> I’m using normal in the statistical sense

Which is semantics. You’re using a different meaning of the word to fit your point just like the person did in the grandfather comment. You even put the word normal in quotes yourself indicating that you understand how words can be interpreted differently. I wasn’t disagreeing with your interpretation of the term.

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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Autism is a disorder that can require medical treatment. If a doctor could screen for risk factors and provide medication to pregnant women that reduced the chances of autism developing in the child, it would be their duty.

Absolutely not. If it were anyone's decision it should be the mother's, and I even find that questionable. Autism isn't inherently bad, it's just different. There's no duty beyond screenings and providing the knowledge.

Autism is a disorder and at some levels it renders the ailed person simply useless.

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s just semantics. There are negative connotations associated with calling someone “normal” versus “abnormal”. I’m sure you’re polite enough to not describe people in wheel chairs as “abnormal”. The non-controversial terms that people use related to issues like autism are “neurotypical” and “neurodivergent”.

>It’s just semantics No it's not... I was responding to someone who said there is no "normal". Yeah, there is. Most people behave in a way you would expect. Most people exhibit motor controls the way you would expect. A minority of people, and specifically people with autism, really do think in a "different" way and exhibit strange motor functions at times that most people do not. I don't think we have to dance aroun…

>Most people behave in a way you would expect.

This is absurd. How do you have any idea what "you would expect"?

>I'm using normal in the statistical sense. Statistically, most people are very neurologically similar and then some people are (relatively) wildly different.

First, define "very neurologically similar". Second, "most people are similar" in a normal distribution because that's the way the distribution is defined. It's not some biological coincidence.

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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One shall not see a difference as something bad. Many autistic people have tremendously contributed to our society. The goal in this case is to develop the knowledge and tools that will help everyone use this as a strength.

Autism is a disorder that can require medical treatment. If a doctor could screen for risk factors and provide medication to pregnant women that reduced the chances of autism developing in the child, it would be their duty.

It depends on the acuity of the test imo. Autism is a spectrum. High functioning and low functioning autism are two different beasts. If they can't differentiate between high and low functioning, I agree that they should do what they can to try to prevent it. If they can predict high functioning, I think there's a real debate to be had. Especially if there are any potential risk factors with the treatment.

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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One complicating factor that I put into every thread about random things being associated with autism: the diagnostic criteria for autism doesn't just measure how autistic someone is, but also how well they've learned to cope with being autistic. It measures things like frequency of meltdowns, ability to handle their everyday life without assistance, ability to "mask" by doing things like holding eye contact or memor…

> the diagnostic criteria for autism doesn't just measure how autistic someone is, but also how well they've learned to cope with being autistic.

I'm not medically qualified at all, but that sounds a bit like saying Typhoid Mary didn't have typhoid because she was asymptomatic. That someone is able to effectively cope with a condition doesn't mean they don't have the condition. Am I missing something?

Re: High levels of oestrogens in the womb linked to autism

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I think the soy idea has been debunked for some time now. The main external estrogen source is milk and to some extend meat products.

Fake news! Soy has orders of magnitude more estrogen than animal products, even the hormone-implanted ones. > The 1.9 nanograms of estrogen in implanted beef is also minuscule compared to 225 nanograms of estrogen in potatoes, 340 nanograms of estrogen in peas, 520 nanograms of estrogen in ice cream, 2,000 nanograms of estrogen in cabbage, 11,250 nanograms of estrogen in soy milk, and 170,000 nanograms of estrogen in…

phytoestrogen != estrogen

If this were true, all the pre-transition trans women I know would be eating a LOT more soy. Unfortunately, it's not, and can even have the opposite effect, by binding to receptors that estrogen would, preventing it from acting normally.

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