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How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
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Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
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Nothing you said is wrong, but that is part of the problem right? To do anything online, you have to use google to some extent, so how can you compete in the first place? Google is already a monopoly in search which makes it impossible to make something online that requires search (ie., almost everything) and have it properly compete.
Hey, if you want to compete with Standard Oil just build your own railroad line.
Until Standard Oil builds pipelines.
That literally happened.
Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pornhub probably could. They've got the tech, the traffic, the money, the advertising infrastructure, they've got everything they need to launch a youtube competitor because the big tech companies don't really touch porn.
> "the big tech companies don't really touch porn." Isn't that the case because mainstream American advertisers don't want anything to do with it? I don't think it's a matter of west coast tech companies being prudes, but rather tech companies appeasing big consumer goods companies that spend billions on advertising, like P&G, J&J, PepsiCo, etc. And those companies are in turn likely appeasing 'middle america' by try…
Amazon does sell porn, but it's excluded from recommendations and casual browsing I believe. If you search by keyword you'll get results.
Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#84I have a hard time believing that their website was more popular than YouTube. I remember using loads of different video streaming services before YouTube was bought by Google (e.g. Vimeo, Google Videos, etc) and I've never heard of livevideo. Also, Google Videos was Google's own YouTube competitor from before they bought YouTube, which arguably was anti-competitive because it was much easier to search for Google Vid…
Also it's not good branding. I immediately thought this was LiveLeak , which is a different site than LiveVideo . But you're right - there are lots of players who carved out niches on the market to be profitable, since hosting video content is expensive . Vimeo, Twitch, even LiveLeak , cater to specific content while the generalist Youtube burned money for over a decade. When all the other generalists were pivoting,…
This was 2006. LiveLeak wasn't a thing yet when LiveVideo launched.
Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The paying of creators definitely anti-competitive It's really not any different than what Netflix is doing now, right? Discounting SEO, the major issue was that they didn't build their own ad network. You set up business in Google's front yard and didn't like it when they told you to get out. The ad network (or rather the monetization model) is the hardest part of building a video sharing site. If that part wasn't…
Why don't you think that the hardest part is acquiring the viewers? At least nowadays, network traffic is cheap. You get 1TB for 1 euro [0]. You need 22 Mbps for 1080HD [1], which means you can stream 100 hours for 1 euro. If you stream 5min clips, that's 1200 clips for 1 euro. There should be enough ad networks that offer 2 euro CPM to make a profit. On the other hand, how can they make a profit if nobody is discove…
And yet, by all accounts and signals, Youtube wasn't profitable for a decade and reportedly barely manages to break even today with a billion users.
Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#86I have a hard time believing that their website was more popular than YouTube. I remember using loads of different video streaming services before YouTube was bought by Google (e.g. Vimeo, Google Videos, etc) and I've never heard of livevideo. Also, Google Videos was Google's own YouTube competitor from before they bought YouTube, which arguably was anti-competitive because it was much easier to search for Google Vid…
Also it's not good branding. I immediately thought this was LiveLeak , which is a different site than LiveVideo . But you're right - there are lots of players who carved out niches on the market to be profitable, since hosting video content is expensive . Vimeo, Twitch, even LiveLeak , cater to specific content while the generalist Youtube burned money for over a decade. When all the other generalists were pivoting,…
Google's branding is the worst, however. They had to buy YouTube, in part, because Google Video was such a failure. Nobody saw Google Video as something to put video INTO; everyone assumed it was a search engine for online video.
They haven't improved. Google's app store is still called "Google Play," which doesn't tell anyone it's an app store. It sounds like something gaming-related, and that's it. Google Plus... need we go on?
Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why don't you think that the hardest part is acquiring the viewers? At least nowadays, network traffic is cheap. You get 1TB for 1 euro [0]. You need 22 Mbps for 1080HD [1], which means you can stream 100 hours for 1 euro. If you stream 5min clips, that's 1200 clips for 1 euro. There should be enough ad networks that offer 2 euro CPM to make a profit. On the other hand, how can they make a profit if nobody is discove…
> At least nowadays, network traffic is cheap. But it's not. Your example is contrived, as Hetzner likely doesn't expect you to stream a 100 hours of 1080p HD content to 100 people simultaneously . Your users would have a laughably bad experience at scale. On a single box, it's unlikely you could max out your throughput - you could at most support 45 users on a single Hetzner node (1080p @ 22Mbps on a Gigabit connect…
1TiB of CDN egress at market rate for large customers is less than a cup of coffee
Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nothing you said is wrong, but that is part of the problem right? To do anything online, you have to use google to some extent, so how can you compete in the first place? Google is already a monopoly in search which makes it impossible to make something online that requires search (ie., almost everything) and have it properly compete.
Not quite. First, Google isn't a monopoly on search. Popular? yes. Best product? For most use cases, yeah. The fact that the search competition is a click away makes it dominant in the market but not a monopoly or monopsony. Second, companies are doing fine in this regard by bypassing Google. There are online businesses that exist solely on Amazon and Instagram. Building out a strong social presence is one way to get…
I should rephrase my argument. What I really meant to highlight is you cannot have a business online that google does not approve of without great difficulty, given to be online you must use google in some extent. That is a problem and decidedly anti-competitive.
Also I don't care too much about the OP's attitude or lack of strategy, actors don't have to be paragons of virtue in order to be wronged and their situation be an example of a larger problem.
Also, finally, why do you need to dispute the basic facts, no one in their right mind thinks Google isn't a monopoly on search, I think that is more or less an established fact at this point.
Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why don't you think that the hardest part is acquiring the viewers? At least nowadays, network traffic is cheap. You get 1TB for 1 euro [0]. You need 22 Mbps for 1080HD [1], which means you can stream 100 hours for 1 euro. If you stream 5min clips, that's 1200 clips for 1 euro. There should be enough ad networks that offer 2 euro CPM to make a profit. On the other hand, how can they make a profit if nobody is discove…
And yet, by all accounts and signals, Youtube wasn't profitable for a decade and reportedly barely manages to break even today with a billion users.
Do you have a source for this? YouTube isn't broken out separately in Alphabet earning reports and the last anyone authoritative talked about YouTube finances this way was several years ago AFAICT.
Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#90> At one point, I believe it was over 74 million and after a Google search change, that number went down to less than 12 million overnight, so all the backlinks, all the websites that were linking to my site, that boosted my rank, that gave my site a good search cloud. This was all organic. I did not use tricks or anything deceptive. This was all organic traffic. These were all organic backlinks and all of a sudden G…
Yeah, that sounds just like the conspiracy that Yelp shakes down restaurants if they don't pay. Yet still waiting to see actual proof of this.
It happened to this guy: https://youtu.be/C67Lh4LE5LY
And apparently she ended up being fired by Yelp.