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Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by torgian »

Shit, I seriously doubt the validity of this article.

But it does go to show that, the majority of manufacturers who make their products in China need to tread lightly even more so now. If anything, this move by the US will make electronic manufacturers take a second thought about where the source their parts and (more importantly) which companies they deal with.

This icludings big companies like Microsoft and Google. I have no doubt that this could potentially hurt Googgl especially.

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Post by INTPenis »

fishtacos wrote: post #53
vkou wrote: post #38

It's nice to see the government picking winners and losers in the market.

Precisely why it was important to make it illegal to do business which such an entity, Huawei. US business relies of trademark, patent, contract and license enforcement, which is where the government steps in. The Chinese gov't doesn't abide by any of these rules, nor do they enforce them, and subsequently Chinese companies are run the same way. That's not even getting in the espionage and the links between Huawei an…

Seriously? I view this as just government sponsored corporate extortion.

I can't believe there's a different view to it. Because the government could have stepped in for so many other issues but they cherry pick the one that will blow a competitor to US brands out of the water.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by hellofunk »

bad_user wrote: post #75
raverbashing wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason Google won is that manufacturers were completely incompetent in coming up with their own phone OSs either because of technical lack of capability or internal politics MS could have had a chance, but they didn't have the vision and Android was the better choice (until now) to most manufacturers

The current issue is that Huawei is blacklisted due to US’s economic war. Microsoft’s Windows Phone would have been no better, quite the contrary, at least you can fork Android, at least it supports alternative app stores.

>Huawei is blacklisted due to US’s economic war

The trade war is not why this company, in particular, is blacklisted.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by klez »

hellofunk wrote: post #84
bad_user wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current issue is that Huawei is blacklisted due to US’s economic war. Microsoft’s Windows Phone would have been no better, quite the contrary, at least you can fork Android, at least it supports alternative app stores.

>Huawei is blacklisted due to US’s economic war The trade war is not why this company, in particular, is blacklisted.

At this point I have to start doubting anything I read so far, then. What is the reason?

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Post by em500 »

_bxg1 wrote: post #36
jbverschoor wrote: post #14

The problem isn’t smartphones right? Bc then we should ban almost all phones. I thought the problem is that basically all the cell networks run on huawei

The Chinese government can order Huawei to do basically whatever it wants, and the former has so far shown no qualms about doing as much espionage, corporate or otherwise, as it can get away with. Infrastructure is one threat, smartphones are another.

It appears now that the US government can order Google, Qualcomm, Intel, and even non-US companies like ARM to do basically whatever it wants, and has shown no qualms in the past about spying on their European allies. From the a non-American POV the US does not have a clear moral high ground.

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Post by mistermann »

ulfw wrote: post #64
Mirioron wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what the long-term implications will be on American businesses for this. Will non-US major companies be wary of relying on US suppliers?

That's exactly it. The US is shooting itself in the foot. Because the message this sends to the bigger world is: don't get too successful or we will kill your business. The irony is that that is exactly what western companies blame China for.

> The US is shooting itself in the foot.

This is one possible outcome. Another is that China learns to be a bit less self-serving and more cooperative with the rest of the world.

> Because the message this sends to the bigger world is: don't get too successful or we will kill your business.

That seems like a bit of a biased interpretation. Do you believe the US is literally trying to kill Huawei, or might it be possible that this is a negotiating tactic to get them to realize and acknowledge the value they receive from the rest of the world generously trading with them, by demonstrating the consequences of what happens when someone treats them in the way they treat the rest of the world (I am referring to access to their markets)?

> The irony is that that is exactly what western companies blame China for.

In the Alanis Morissette sense maybe.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by mpol »

i_am_proteus wrote: post #49
Waterluvian wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a great opportunity for the rest of the world to stop leaning on American companies and American technology. It would be wonderful for a European and/or an Asian alternative to Android to emerge.

Sailfish OS claims to be mature and available for "corporate customers." I haven't seen any evidence past their own website, though.

The Russian government is using Sailfish in a big way. I heard the Russian post-office as well. There were negotiations with the Chinese government, but I assume that might have fallen through.

Jolla is not much B2C anymore, mostly B2B now.

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Post by mistermann »

vkou wrote: post #69
fishtacos wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely why it was important to make it illegal to do business which such an entity, Huawei. US business relies of trademark, patent, contract and license enforcement, which is where the government steps in. The Chinese gov't doesn't abide by any of these rules, nor do they enforce them, and subsequently Chinese companies are run the same way. That's not even getting in the espionage and the links between Huawei an…

Name me one major US company that does not have close links to the US government. Name one. As for the IP angle, what evidence do you have that Huawei in particular built their 5G, or phones off IP theft? I postulate that as soon as China passes the US in development of new IP, the US will find no shortage of excuses to politically interfere in the market... Just like it is doing now, actually.

What do you mean by "close links"?

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by dehrmann »

ulfw wrote: post #55
liquidise wrote: post #46

I believe the true loser in this is Google. If i am any non us, android-reliant phone manufacturer, i am planning my exit strategy. Sure it won't come today or this year, but it is vital for companies to start to distance themselves from google licensing for their own betterment.

Which US, android-reliant phone manufacturers are there?

It used to be that Samsung would also be safe because South Korea is a major strategic ally of the US, but with the US using steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada and a tariff on all Mexican exports, strategic allies aren't even safe.
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