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Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#81

I was with the author until the diversity and equity part. Why does everything have to boil down to skin color and gender? I don't see why you need to offer this for a tech conference. It should be about ability and topics. Edit: I already regret making this post.

What is your response to the author's point that "ability and topics" are abstract concepts that don't take into account how people engage with a conference?

I think the author makes sense with that. People should be comfortable and feel safe, but then the author goes on to explicitly talk about gender and what I assume are racial minorities. I don't think that race and gender are the only disadvantaged groups in the world. Things like disability, mental illness, and country of origin can have a much bigger impact on whether somebody could become a speaker. Depending on how you slice it, you can end up with an enormous amount of these groups and I think the best way to promote fairness is to sometimes give them an advantage, but it should only be a portion of the whole. Eg a disabled speaker could have some very interesting insights on tech, especially when it comes to UI, but that doesn't mean we should try to make the conference have an equal amount of disabled people as speakers. It makes more sense to pick topics and technical ability in the vast majority of cases, because that's what people are there for.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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post #38

Insanity. If only her name could be published. People like that deserve to face consequences for their actions.

The name can be found by searching for 5 min on twitter, starting with the name of the conference and going down until you reach posts that are not announcements.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you avoid them simply on the basis of a blog post? OP is saying a false accusation turned into a witch hunt because people believed an allegation posted on the Internet without question. What makes you confident you're better at detecting the truth than the people who believed the woman's story?

What makes you believe the OP’s story?

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Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#84

I've been a co-convener for two Python conferences in Vancouver. The conferences were small ( For me, the key sources of stress were: 1. hoping that tickets and sponsorship would cover our costs (at some point you have to pay for your venue, flights for your keynotes, etc. and this happens before ticket sales open). I think that we lost a few hundred dollars on the first conference and donated a few hundred dollars t…

Some simple things (logistics, catering, etc) in countries like Argentina are more difficult. However, your are right. We had a LOT of fun last year. I think I am pessimistic because of everything that happened these last few weeks.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#85
post #23

I am glad this was written without naming the people involved. Although I see nothing wrong with naming names in situations like this (see below) the lack of specific names meant I could focus on the experiences (as related by the poster) rather than having the specific people colour my opinion. The reason I think specifying people by name would have been OK is that 1 - they were presumably an issue for a number of a…

> I see nothing wrong with naming names As he is pursuing legal options, I’m guessing his counsel told him not to.

There is no need to guess, it’s stated. “I’m currently analyzing with different attorneys and advisers the steps to take next. One of the pieces of advice they gave me were not to give any names to avoid escalating the situation even further. It pains me to do so, because I feel I need to warn the community so that this doesn’t happen to more people. But I understand this is the way things work and right now I need to trust that the justice system in my country will do its work.”

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the way these people reacted confirms that it would be a very bad idea to have them at any conference. I wish they were named so I could avoid them now.

Would you avoid them simply on the basis of a blog post? OP is saying a false accusation turned into a witch hunt because people believed an allegation posted on the Internet without question. What makes you confident you're better at detecting the truth than the people who believed the woman's story?

There are several reasons to believe a blog post over a told-in-person anecdote; for one, this is more or less an open forum with no time limits or constraints on research. This is when combined with the fact that these possibly-incriminating* details of the story were provided voluntarily, which generally adds credence to a claim. Until an opposing blog post appears telling the opposite story (which makes perennial discussion similarly easy to take place), it makes the most sense to believe this account over a secondhand story of a story that doesn't even have a written record.

* If the story of the stalking, etc. were true, it would be damaging to the author's reputation. It would naturally be in the author's better interest to cover it up by not mentioning that detail given that it was true.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I see nothing wrong with naming names As he is pursuing legal options, I’m guessing his counsel told him not to.

He named people (and showed pictures of messages) on Twitter in this convo [1], FWIW. At this point, I think it's more to avoid further escalation, as said in the article. [1] https://twitter.com/unbalancedparen/status/11223070591548702...

I watched this unfold on twitter, and in the organizer's defense, he only addressed the situation and the culprits after those people started a public discussion regarding the ban. The organizer was defending himself.

It's a difficult situation to be in.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#89
post #13

> There is no way of making a technical conference if some people feel insecure or uncomfortable. I'm surprised to hear a conference organizer say this, because I think it's an unrealistic goal. There's a difference between people feeling as if their safety is being directly threatened by someone at a conference and someone feeling uncomfortable with a speaker because of, for instance, some of their personal views th…

I think this is splitting hairs. A conference organizer has basically one consideration: make things run smoothly. The whole effort is already so complex and error-prone that most of the time you're killing yourself just to make them work at all. Principles are nice, but when it comes down to either banning a couple people, or facing a backlash from the attendees and sponsors, that's probably the simplest choice the organizer has for the entire event. You lose two ticket sales, but the event keeps running.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#90
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

should we be aggressively encouraging men to take up nursing?

We are aggressively encouraging men to take up nursing.

And for good reason. Nursing is physically demanding, especially seeing as how the majority of American adults are now obese. It's common for nurses to physically injure themselves trying to move a patient that they're simply not strong enough to handle.

So yes, nursing needs more men, as the job shares a lot of the same physical requirements of other strength-requiring occupations such as construction.

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