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'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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>Most of the rest comes from family farms growing rice, maize, manioc root (like sweet potato) and plantains (similar to banana) these aren't refined, but they arguably aren't the healthiest for you

Why not?

I'm not the OP, but I assume the OP is diabetic, so avoiding anything with a high glycemic index is a necessity.

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Carbs are great if you're actually going to use the energy! The best even! The problem with Western habits is we tend to carb load until we have a tremendous excess of energy which we then use to... sit down for several hours while our body gets busy turning all that unused energy in to fat.

Exactly. Humans are meant to move, and not moving makes us fat. Now that we're extremely sedentary, we literally have no use for the amounts of rice and pasta we consume. We're victims of our own success.

Anecdotally I've seen plenty of fat people that move a lot. When one can have a 2,000 calorie pizza delivered on a whim there isn't much that exercise can do to prevent weight gain.

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"It means: 72% of calories come from carbohydrates compared with 52% in the US 14% from fat compared with 34% in the US, Tsimane also consume much less saturated fat Both Americans and Tsimane have 14% of calories from protein, but Tsimane have more lean meat" That really does seem counter to the low-carb diets that seem to be all the rage among internet communities (also HN). But, maybe it's just the constant exerci…

>That really does seem counter to the low-carb diets that seem to be all the rage among internet communities (also HN). Generally people discussing “low carb diets” really mean managing blood glucose/insulin spikes. So high glycemic carbs, refined sugars, refined carbs. Not all carbs are created equal when we talk about impacts on blood glucose and/or the liver.

Tangentially, there are two professors that swear by the idea of taking glucose readings soon after eating to know the impact of different foods in your diet. Theoretically, if you eat things that don't raise your glucose too much you can lose weight.

It sounds logical, but I don't know if it's really useful if you're not diabetic.

Edit: the book is called "The Personalized Diet."

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Another fact about Bolivians ... they are, on average, the shortest people in the world. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-short...

Oh! Short stature, mountainous country near the equator - means the least gravity affecting their circulation! Natural heart-healthy situation!

You might be joking, but higher altitude also means less oxygen, which translates to reduced oxidation and less risk of cancer.

I'm on my cellphone so I don't have the paper on hand, but there was a big study where they compared lung cancer rates in different geographic areas and found that the highest cancer incidence was at sea level, whereas the lowest was at higher elevations. They tried controlling for other obvious variables but elevation was unquestionably the best explanation.

Oxidation may explain plaque in arteries.

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To add to your point Okinawans once had the greatest life expectancy on Earth and the majority of their diet was carbs too. Since the introduction of “western diet” post WW2 the majority of their diet is still carbs and yet they now show significant increase of Chronic disease (obesity, heart disease, type 2 diabetes, fatty liver disease and kidney disease) and lowered life expectancy.

What is that disease attributed to? Do you know?

An inflammatory diet from western influence. That's what my assumption would be.

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It's almost as if human experiences don't fit into the carefully curated categories we have in modern society where individual aspects are considered in isolation and not handled in a holistic way. It's as if: the need for meaning, relationships, sleep, body, teeth, eating, professional development, daily routine, sitting, walking, how we walk, our individual body constructs, personality archetypes, mental health, et…

This is because I can change a thing but I can't change my whole life. Well, I can, but that's hard and single things are easy.

That's why you change one thing at a time.

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Can we get the actual numbers and breakdowns for fats? They're so quick to say less saturated fat is the cause, but I bet the difference in polyunsaturated fats is even BIGGER and is probably the REAL reason they are healthier. PUFAs as they are called are incredibly unhealthy, and there is Big Business trying to hide this.

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturated-oils.shtml

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"The Tsimane get 72% of their energy from carbohydrates. The fact that they have the best indicators of cardiovascular health ever reported is the exact opposite to many recent suggestions that carbohydrates are unhealthy." Refined carbs ARE unhealthy and it's a bit disheartening that they didn't make that distinction in the article.

To add to your point Okinawans once had the greatest life expectancy on Earth and the majority of their diet was carbs too. Since the introduction of “western diet” post WW2 the majority of their diet is still carbs and yet they now show significant increase of Chronic disease (obesity, heart disease, type 2 diabetes, fatty liver disease and kidney disease) and lowered life expectancy.

It turns out, though, that Okinawan long life expectancy was actually due to rampant pension fraud rather than long life. I can't remember the exact date, but it would have been around 2008, a reporter went to visit the oldest people in Japan (most of whom were living in Okinawa). They started at the oldest and found that the person wasn't home ("visiting relatives"). So they went to the next oldest. Similar story. They went through the top 20 and couldn't find any of them.

The government clued in and investigated and it turns out that Okinawan doctors were making a tidy profit by agreeing not to file death certificates. This enabled families to continue to claim pension benefits on behalf of their supposedly aged relatives.

After the the smoke died down the went back and looked at Okinawan life expectancy taking pension fraud into consideration and discovered that it was pretty much exactly the same as the rest of Japan. The original life expectancy/diet studies had relied on government information rather than actually interviewing people. I'm sorry I don't have a citation for you as I saw this in a documentary in Japan on TV.

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Yeah very strange they do a breakdown of what percentages each diet has, but not the overall caloric intake. If you consume 5000 calories a day, it really does not matter how healthy your macros are. I wonder what the results would show if they did a similar study but compared people of similar body compositions. Who has the healthiest population of people with a BMI of ~20.

Upper level athletes eat 5000 calories a day just fine, though they tend to have better macros

They tend to also burn a huge amount of calories relative to the regular person

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They have different impact on blood glucose and insulin

According the the following, sucrose has a glycemic index of 65. Plantain has 55. Brown rice has 68. Does the glycemic index say anything about impact on blood glucose and insulin levels? https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/glyce...

Keep in mind that food does not act in isolation. The actual glycemic index of the food you eat depends on the combination of food. So if you eat a combination of carbohydrates, fats and proteins it lowers the glycemic index. Famously, a Snicker's bar has a dramatically lower glycemic index than a slice of bread (though exactly what it is depends on what study you look at :-P ).

Another way to look at this is that refined sugar is the sugar with all the other things that would have lowered the glycemic index taken away. If you add it back, the index will be lowered again. If I eat refined sugar from sugar beets and accompany it with the fiber, etc from the processing, the glycemic index will be the same as eating sugar beets. So it doesn't matter where the carbs are coming from, it only matters if you are mixing it with fibre, fat and protein.

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