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'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Post by 4ntonius8lock »

Scaevolus wrote: post #13

> At the age of 45, almost no Tsimane had CAC in their arteries while 25% of Americans do. > By the time they reach age 75, two-thirds of Tsimane are CAC-free compared with the overwhelming majority of Americans (80%) having signs of CAC. The article doesn't mention obesity at all . 40% of Americans over 40 are obese[1]. Tsimane obesity rates of adults (>20 years) are 5.6% for women and 1.6% for men[2]. Journalists l…

It's almost as if human experiences don't fit into the carefully curated categories we have in modern society where individual aspects are considered in isolation and not handled in a holistic way.

It's as if: the need for meaning, relationships, sleep, body, teeth, eating, professional development, daily routine, sitting, walking, how we walk, our individual body constructs, personality archetypes, mental health, etc... were more than the sum of their parts and being overly dissecting such things leads to a lessening, not increase in understanding of the whole.

A great book on psychology like thinking fast and slow will do a great job at dissecting reality from that narrow point of view, just as other books will do the same in other fields. But I don't really know of any field that is respected that combines many elements to study how to maximize human potential/study the human experience as a whole.

I offer no solutions, just an observation in terms of how we deal with the human experience in modernity.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Post by munk-a »

AimForTheBushes wrote: post #4

"The Tsimane get 72% of their energy from carbohydrates. The fact that they have the best indicators of cardiovascular health ever reported is the exact opposite to many recent suggestions that carbohydrates are unhealthy." Refined carbs ARE unhealthy and it's a bit disheartening that they didn't make that distinction in the article.

I am highly skeptical of this article given the lack of any comparison of both natural and artificial sugar consumption as a proportion of those carbohydrates, the foods listed tend to be quite low in sugars and it seems like an obvious factor to investigate and is given... absolutely no consideration. Ditto with their sodium consumption and the fish they're eating are probably isolated enough to not be a dangerous source of heavy metals like the fish we have access to.

I definitely don't think that fat is the best thing ever for you, but butter/lard (and other dairy fat) heavy diets have been around for a long time.

I am really concerned about what we as residents in democratic countries are permitting regulators to hand-wave into our food, there is something really bad that we're all eating or drinking and we're going to need to figure out what it is pretty quickly.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Post by munk-a »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #10
will_brown wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That really does seem counter to the low-carb diets that seem to be all the rage among internet communities (also HN). Generally people discussing “low carb diets” really mean managing blood glucose/insulin spikes. So high glycemic carbs, refined sugars, refined carbs. Not all carbs are created equal when we talk about impacts on blood glucose and/or the liver.

This is true. It's likely that beside the rice and maize, most of their carbs come from vegetables. It's one of the reasons why high-performance diets are usually heavy on the broccoli!

Another absolutely killer carb in western diets comes out of refined flour which makes it into a ton of stuff. My wife is gluten-free currently for health reasons and we've experimented with using more raw starch sources to great success. Most of these flour based foods don't need to be super-refined bleached flour.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Post by Swizec »

4ntonius8lock wrote: post #21
Scaevolus wrote: post #13

> At the age of 45, almost no Tsimane had CAC in their arteries while 25% of Americans do. > By the time they reach age 75, two-thirds of Tsimane are CAC-free compared with the overwhelming majority of Americans (80%) having signs of CAC. The article doesn't mention obesity at all . 40% of Americans over 40 are obese[1]. Tsimane obesity rates of adults (>20 years) are 5.6% for women and 1.6% for men[2]. Journalists l…

It's almost as if human experiences don't fit into the carefully curated categories we have in modern society where individual aspects are considered in isolation and not handled in a holistic way. It's as if: the need for meaning, relationships, sleep, body, teeth, eating, professional development, daily routine, sitting, walking, how we walk, our individual body constructs, personality archetypes, mental health, et…

This is because I can change a thing but I can't change my whole life. Well, I can, but that's hard and single things are easy.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Post by Edmond »

Scaevolus wrote: post #13

> At the age of 45, almost no Tsimane had CAC in their arteries while 25% of Americans do. > By the time they reach age 75, two-thirds of Tsimane are CAC-free compared with the overwhelming majority of Americans (80%) having signs of CAC. The article doesn't mention obesity at all . 40% of Americans over 40 are obese[1]. Tsimane obesity rates of adults (>20 years) are 5.6% for women and 1.6% for men[2]. Journalists l…

30% improvement in anything is likely to be considered significant, not "moderate".

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Post by negamax »

Small anecdote: I did travels through Europe a while back and did lots of walking. That's fairly normal in many European towns and cities. Really felt great and decided to do 20k steps a day after return. Which tapered off slowly and unconsciously. Need to get back to that level. Your body respond quickly in positive direction, I can recall that much.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

emptybits wrote: post #27

Another fact about Bolivians ... they are, on average, the shortest people in the world. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-short...

Oh! Short stature, mountainous country near the equator - means the least gravity affecting their circulation! Natural heart-healthy situation!

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Post by cageface »

phil248 wrote: post #9
tpush wrote: post #2

"It means: 72% of calories come from carbohydrates compared with 52% in the US 14% from fat compared with 34% in the US, Tsimane also consume much less saturated fat Both Americans and Tsimane have 14% of calories from protein, but Tsimane have more lean meat" That really does seem counter to the low-carb diets that seem to be all the rage among internet communities (also HN). But, maybe it's just the constant exerci…

Carbs are great if you're actually going to use the energy! The best even! The problem with Western habits is we tend to carb load until we have a tremendous excess of energy which we then use to... sit down for several hours while our body gets busy turning all that unused energy in to fat.

Converting carbs into fat is fairly inefficient. It comes at about a 40% calorie loss. So you can put on fat eating carbs alone but it’s not easy. More often than not we eat carbs together with fat so your body will very happily just directly store the fat and burn the carbs for energy.

This is why things like french fries or pizza are so fattening.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Post by ericmcer »

Scaevolus wrote: post #13

> At the age of 45, almost no Tsimane had CAC in their arteries while 25% of Americans do. > By the time they reach age 75, two-thirds of Tsimane are CAC-free compared with the overwhelming majority of Americans (80%) having signs of CAC. The article doesn't mention obesity at all . 40% of Americans over 40 are obese[1]. Tsimane obesity rates of adults (>20 years) are 5.6% for women and 1.6% for men[2]. Journalists l…

Yeah very strange they do a breakdown of what percentages each diet has, but not the overall caloric intake. If you consume 5000 calories a day, it really does not matter how healthy your macros are. I wonder what the results would show if they did a similar study but compared people of similar body compositions. Who has the healthiest population of people with a BMI of ~20.
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