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Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by lowercased »

treis wrote: post #78
lowercased wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a chat with an MS guy who had some insight on this issue. There was some internal discussion about it, but there were 2 issues re: firefox which led them against it (and they're somewhat related). Firstly, I'm paraphrasing here, but FF isn't as much a business as it is a religion (re: privacy). You can read a lot in to that, but I understood the gist of what they were getting at. Secondly, somewhat relatedly, b…

I think that's reading too much into it. They're ditching Edge/IE because they lost the browser wars. Switching to Firefox, who did worse than Edge/IE in that war doesn't make sense. You're just trading one loser for a worse loser.

It's not 'reading in to it' so much as relaying the gist of a conversation I had with someone fairly high up in the browser team who was privy to the decision making process. I specifically asked about FF and he gave some of the main internal back and forth arguments (though I've certainly distilled it down!)

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by WorldMaker »

mikejb wrote: post #63

I think this is a good step, but the cynic in me has to ask: How many services were removed, and how many replaced? It's good that things like Single Sign-on or Google Now aren't there (by default), but is it fair to assume they've just been replaced by Microsofts versions (i.e. whatever Live is called now and Cortana)?

Cortana hasn't made it in yet in any form. Bing is the default search engine, though.

The Single Sign-on was replaced with Microsoft Account (for home users) / Azure Active Directory Account (for enterprise users) single sign-on support.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by WorldMaker »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #33
supernes wrote: post #21

I feel bad for Opera, seems they stand to lose the most in this battle of the Chromium forks. They have a really good product that I use as my main driver after being fed up with Safari on macOS, but Microsoft is well poised to deliver a compelling experience across platforms (fingers crossed for Linux support at some point.)

They were bought up by some Chinese firm though and thus a lot of people lost trust in them. Not sure if anybody has done extensive research into what type of telemetry they gather. I would recommend FireFox but I never gave up hope for FireFox so you could consider me a fanboy. However FireFox Quantum has changed a lot of people over to it.

A lot of the Opera die-hards I know of moved on to Vivaldi which is trying to be the Opera folks remember. (It is also Chromium based, though.)

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by saber1 »

supernes wrote: post #39
giancarlostoro wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were bought up by some Chinese firm though and thus a lot of people lost trust in them. Not sure if anybody has done extensive research into what type of telemetry they gather. I would recommend FireFox but I never gave up hope for FireFox so you could consider me a fanboy. However FireFox Quantum has changed a lot of people over to it.

Firefox still has some UX deficiencies on macOS, I do use it on Windows though. What really turned me off is how long it took them to implement video autoplay blocking. I sent them about four dozen requests, reports and outright pleas, and they didn't even add it to the roadmap until after I had given up hope. They were about two to three years late on that one. Chromium's dev tools are still ahead by a mile as well,…

I wondering if you aware the profiler tool that FF has https://profiler.firefox.com/

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by WalterGR »

mikejb wrote: post #63

I think this is a good step, but the cynic in me has to ask: How many services were removed, and how many replaced? It's good that things like Single Sign-on or Google Now aren't there (by default), but is it fair to assume they've just been replaced by Microsofts versions (i.e. whatever Live is called now and Cortana)?

I guess one person’s cynic is another person’s realist.

In what world would Microsoft not provide access to their own version of SSO (and therefore sync)?

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Post by sametmax »

skrebbel wrote: post #14

I'm still sad they didn't partner with Firefox instead. It would suit the strategy of The New Microsoft very well to ensure competition in the browser market, and making an Firefox-based Edge plus a Firefox-based Electron clone would've been an amazing way to do that. They've shown competence in embracing, extending, and contributing back to OSS (eg they were instrumental in Nodejs getting to its amazing cross platfo…

The New Microsoft is just PR due to the fact they are not the top dog anymore. It's good for us, but it's important to remember that it can change at any moment, or sometimes, that because it's not really part of their core value but just the way they want to look like, they won't make the best decisions according to openness and standards.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by Vinnl »

lugg wrote: post #75
Vinnl wrote: post #45

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They're not actively planning to replace Gecko with Servo, but rather to incorporate improvements from Servo into Gecko.

It's a strangler pattern. They're going to replace gecko piece by piece until it's all servo. I'm not sure why people are saying they like or don't like gecko. It's just old tech and they're replacing it from the ground up but doing it in a sustainable way. In the end servo will be dropped and gecko will just be gecko newer version.

There are no concrete plans for that either.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by supernes »

saber1 wrote: post #85
supernes wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox still has some UX deficiencies on macOS, I do use it on Windows though. What really turned me off is how long it took them to implement video autoplay blocking. I sent them about four dozen requests, reports and outright pleas, and they didn't even add it to the roadmap until after I had given up hope. They were about two to three years late on that one. Chromium's dev tools are still ahead by a mile as well,…

I wondering if you aware the profiler tool that FF has https://profiler.firefox.com/

I somehow managed to miss that, thanks. It looks exactly like what I needed.

Re: Google features that Microsoft turned off in Chromium Edge

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Post by lugg »

Vinnl wrote: post #88
lugg wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a strangler pattern. They're going to replace gecko piece by piece until it's all servo. I'm not sure why people are saying they like or don't like gecko. It's just old tech and they're replacing it from the ground up but doing it in a sustainable way. In the end servo will be dropped and gecko will just be gecko newer version.

There are no concrete plans for that either.

Thats literally the point of using a strangler pattern.

Concrete plans lead to making hard to change decisions before you need to.

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