Financial censorship is still censorship
Deciding not to provide a platform for any particular view is not censorship. Also, hate speech specifically calling for violence is not protected speech.
Gab.com banned from PayPal
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#83I don't really have a take on gab.com (never heard of it until now) but a couple years ago I was processing thousands of transactions per day with PayPal. Their technology is awful and (from outside observation) their engineering teams are incompetent. In a business where "the hard technical problem" is how to stop fraud while allowing legitimate transactions to occur, you'd expect bad engineering to mean that the fr…
Interesting thoughts. It could be that PayPal has over extended certain models for far longer than they should have. Some forms of tech debt should be resolved sooner, rather than later. It would be fascinating to know the real reasons behind the fall from grace.
Is it really the employees, or the managers? There could be dilapidated business processes still in place that even prevent the company from healing itself. An interesting take on this is the book How The Mighty Fall.
Some relevant things to know might be if they have restructured a lot, and what their churn has looked like both in the executive suite and in engineering.
Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, now you have. It's white supremacist Twitter.
I see. Dare to disagree with Thomas Ptacek and you get shadow banned?
I think you're confusing the fact that people have repeatedly argued that Gab isn't white supremacist twitter with the notion that it has somehow been established that it isn't. But, of course, it is. Even Voat has better bona fides than Gab.
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It's probably not just a coincidence that every time this comes up on HN, there's a Popehat thread about Gab at the same time. Here's Ken today with a telling citation to Gab's own Twitter account from earlier this year:
Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
I see. Dare to disagree with Thomas Ptacek and you get shadow banned?
I think you're confusing the fact that people have repeatedly argued that Gab isn't white supremacist twitter with the notion that it has somehow been established that it isn't. But, of course, it is. Even Voat has better bona fides than Gab. Later It's probably not just a coincidence that every time this comes up on HN, there's a Popehat thread about Gab at the same time. Here's Ken today with a telling citation to…
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Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal
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#89Financial censorship is still censorship
This sounds like an argument that can only be made if one believes that they're incapable of competing without PayPal's involvement. It sounds like a meek whine that they deserve special protections that force other companies to work with them. If PayPal is such an overwhelming giant of a service that you genuinely believe it needs to be forced to do business with certain corporations, then maybe it should be made in…
Thanks for responding with arguments instead of downvoting
While there are other services, the popularity of PayPal makes it an important player
Maybe because of that it should be more careful in who they reject
Re: Gab.com banned from PayPal
#90I appreciate that fact that you can tell this is all just a front for beliefs they don't have. I mean if they really believe in free speech you would assume they would have mentioned Julian Assange or Wikileaks once. It would have made a lot more sense if they had ever mentioned how dangerous the censorship of Wikileaks by monetary means was. Fortunately they never did this so you can reasonably assume it is a front.
Most people who believe in free speech only believe in freedom for their speech. That's just the way people are.
Extremists cry foul that their free speech rights are being violated or that they're being censored but within their own groups they would quickly stamp out opposing ideas or criticism.