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Re: OpenBSD 6.4 released

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Post by ahje »

magnetic wrote: post #30
johnnycarcin wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to hear about this as well. OpenBSD has been on my list of "to try" for quite awhile but the app/package thing has been a big question mark for me. I _really_ enjoy being able to apt-get or brew install pretty much any of the applications out there and am a bit worried about how that experience would be on OpenBSD. I guess the best way to find out would be to try it eh? :)

There is the core install and then packages that you can add just as easily as apt-get.

Does that apply to updates as well?

Re: OpenBSD 6.4 released

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Post by justin66 »

mishac wrote: post #40
aquabeagle wrote: post #27

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That's a GNUism, so you won't find it in BSD tools.

It's a good GNUism though, that I also wish the BSDs supported. No-one's saying that the BSDs should start supporting GNU style --long-options or switch to info instead of man, but friendlier help messages are always a nice thing.

> friendlier help messages are always a nice thing

That's not the dispute. It's a question of how much you value brevity.

syspatch --help usage: syspatch [-c | -l | -R | -r]

looks quite friendly to me, but YMMV.

Re: OpenBSD 6.4 released

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Post by bpye »

toyg wrote: post #43
heywire wrote: post #24

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Is OpenBSD suitable for use on a laptop? I have a Dell Latitute 7370 running KDE Neon, and it runs really well. All hardware is supported, battery life is on-par with Windows, etc. Would OpenBSD work well on this laptop?

Driver support will always trail behind Linux, so it depends. Personally, I’d be more interested into having openbsd as the standard for cloud deployments, a place currently inhabited by Ubuntu derivatives. If one could get the declarative goodness of Nix, the popularity of docker, and the reliability / security of openbsd, the world would be a better place.

No reason Nix shouldn't be able to run on OpenBSD right? Nix works on macOS quite well. It would obviously take some work to get it to configure the built in OpenBSD services but it seems like it could be worth the effort.

Re: OpenBSD 6.4 released

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Post by ch_123 »

ch_123 wrote: post #28
JoachimS wrote: post #14

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How well does the inverse works - running VMs in OpenBSD to use Windows, Linux? Is it for example possible to run Virtualbox with good performance in OpenBSD? I'm tempted at using OpenBSD as OS, but need to run things like MS Office. A VM is probably the easiest way to do that.

There is an OpenBSD-specific hypervisor (vmm) in recent releases. I cannot comment on whether it is suitable for running VMs at this time.

* Windows VMs

Re: OpenBSD 6.4 released

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Post by beefhash »

LeonM wrote: post #37
atjamielittle wrote: post #10

Time to update your BCHS stack: https://learnbchs.org/index.html

That's pretty sweet! Although C is possibly the worst language to build web applications..

I see your C and raise you a COBOL[1,2].

[1] http://www.coboloncogs.org/INDEX.HTM

[2] http://adrianzandberg.pl/cobol-on-wheelchair/

Re: OpenBSD 6.4 released

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Post by kbirkeland »

deskdrawer wrote: post #26

My biggest turnoff with OpenBSD is the more complicated package management if you want to have new versions and security updates beyond the versions packaged with the release. As far as I know you either have to stay on the bleeding edge with -current, build packages yourself, or trust a third party (M:Tier) to build for you, who last I checked were behind on firefox builds. I'd love to someday run it on my laptop th…

You can patch the system and update all binaries with two commands:

  doas syspatch
  doas pkg_add -u

Re: OpenBSD 6.4 released

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Post by twic »

DCKing wrote: post #34
mruts wrote: post #13

Linux is a depressing mess after you've used OpenBSD. Such a high quality system, with stellar documentation. It's unfortunate that Linux has become so popular even though the BSD's are so much better. A bad historical accident. Damn you Linus...

One thing Linux has going for it is a bunch of popular features for developers' desktops: * Electron apps - VSCode, Atom, Slack, almost every universal desktop app that gets released today. Individual ports of apps to FreeBSD exist, but there is no way to automatically build Electron apps for any of the BSDs. * Good desktop virtualization - KVM, VirtualBox (okay FreeBSD has these in theory), VMware * First-class Dock…

> there is no container ecosystem like there is on Linux

Good! On FreeBSD, for now, sanity prevails!

Re: OpenBSD 6.4 released

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Post by kurtisc »

auslander wrote: post #44
jhasse wrote: post #41

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IMHO Linux has the better license. Not sure if I'm in the minority with this opinion?

GPL (distribute your code) is better than BSD permissive (do what you want)? For whom?

Trust me, you aren't going to solve this political battle in this comment section.

Re: OpenBSD 6.4 released

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Post by enriquto »

JoachimS wrote: post #61
enriquto wrote: post #16

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> How well does the inverse works - running VMs in OpenBSD to use Windows, Linux? Is it for example possible to run Virtualbox with good performance in OpenBSD? As far as I know this is not possible. You can always do it with qemu but it wouldn't be practical. If libreoffice is not appropriate for your needs, you may try googledocs inside the browser.

MS Office is just one of many applications that I need to use. I use loads of EDA tools that either only exists for Windows, or Linux. I have been a user of LibreOffice since it was called StarOffice. It is dog slow, still has an ugly UI, crashes etc. But for many things it has been and is good enough. (and keeps getting better). Unfortunately, customers wants to use Word-specific files, Excel-specific files with mac…

In your situation, then, you'll be happy by running openbsd in a virtual machine from your windows.

Re: OpenBSD 6.4 released

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Post by kurtisc »

mruts wrote: post #13

Linux is a depressing mess after you've used OpenBSD. Such a high quality system, with stellar documentation. It's unfortunate that Linux has become so popular even though the BSD's are so much better. A bad historical accident. Damn you Linus...

I've never understood why the end users of these free and libre kernels feel the need to fight so much.
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