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Delete Your Account Now: A Conversation with Jaron Lanier

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Re: Delete Your Account Now: A Conversation with Jaron Lanier

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Post by krabzzz »

benjaminjackman wrote: post #60
JepZ wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, while I dream the same dream, it feels awkward asking my family and friends to pay 5€ per year so that we can share the cost of running our XMPP-Server. Currently, I pay all the bills and manage the server myself (so no cost/effort for them), and they still keep using WhatsApp with most of their contacts. I don't know what the root of that evil is, but there are undoubtedly multiple factors involved. First of a…

Do you have a recommended guide for setting an XMPP server that supports end-to-end encryption?

Why would you want E2E if you run the server, and so can be trusted?

Re: Delete Your Account Now: A Conversation with Jaron Lanier

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

decasia wrote: post #7

The thing I keep thinking is that I want to have social software built on a co-operative model (like a food co-op): you all pay some nominal membership fee (could you fund servers and developers on $5/year/user?), and the software would then be developed to fit the agreed-upon needs of the community, without dark patterns or behavior modification projects, openly, and with some kind of community governance (which nee…

People are already doing that. For example one of the communities I'm involved in is using HumHub on a VPS. It's supercheap, something like 5€/month, so the per-person cost is almost nil. Nobody objects to paying for hosting and the platform itself is a pleasure to use - maybe because you can relax and know you're in a good company, and there's nobody to manipulate you.

Re: Delete Your Account Now: A Conversation with Jaron Lanier

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Post by Blaiz0r »

narrator wrote: post #8

I saw an absolutely epic debate between Jaron and a Singulatarian. He totally called them out on being religious in that they were just trying to make a geek version of the Christian rapture. I agree that the guy is like RMS in that he is an original thinker who works from first principles and that tends to give him an understanding that is unique and worth listening to. BTW, Speaking of RMS and Jaron, is there some…

Hairs are your aerials. They pick up signals from the cosmos, and transmit them directly into the brain.

Re: Delete Your Account Now: A Conversation with Jaron Lanier

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Post by thanatropism »

crispyambulance wrote: post #42
spot wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nelson's concept was more centralized, and that's why it failed. Having no implementation didn't help.

It is only the media itself that is centralized in Nelson's vision. Today it is the giant middle-men that are "centralized" and call themselves "media". According to Jaron Lanier, Xanadu (Ted Nelson's concept) was all about "two-way" connectivity, not in a trivial sense like client/server websites today but deeply as in a "we're all authors" sense. > "A core technical difference between a Nelsonian network > and what…

How does this compare to Urbit?

Re: Delete Your Account Now: A Conversation with Jaron Lanier

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Post by beat »

Funny, the thing that struck me the most was the tag at the end where he's talking about learning pedal steel guitar. I tried and failed - it's the most difficult musical instrument I've ever played. It's harder than drums, which are really really hard to play well.

Pedal steel involves doing a lot of things simultaneously. Chords are assembled from strings and slide, but there are pedals and knee levers that change the pitch of individual strings up or down. So you can do something like play a DGB triad (G major chord), and press a pedal to turn it into EGC (C major chord), while the strings are still ringing. No other instrument can do this. It can be sort of faked by bending a note against another note on guitar, but it's pitifully shallow next to pedal steel. But the pedals and levers, plus the slide, plus right hand picking, plus a volume pedal to control attack and sustain... wow. It's so complex.

Re: Delete Your Account Now: A Conversation with Jaron Lanier

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Post by symfoniq »

Carlton87 wrote: post #48
NeedMoreTea wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before everyone had to be on Facebook, a few friends and relatives used a hidden forum on someone's spare domain, and it worked really nicely. A co-op social network sounds an interesting idea. Doubly so if it gave only the sort of features early Facebook had - i.e. the ones useful to the users, before it became about the algorithm, engagement and so on. Wouldn't be surprised if there's something along those lines on…

Nobody has to be on Facebook. I deleted mine in 2008 and never looked back.

Ditto. I've successfully avoided Facebook for a decade.

Re: Delete Your Account Now: A Conversation with Jaron Lanier

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Post by replies_to_all »

jhabdas wrote: post #2

> Google will kill Facebook or vice versa. That's where I stopped reading. How silly to think either of those two terrible outcomes would ever come to fruition.

I am so fucking sick on Jaron's pronouncements.

Why anyone is still listening to him is beyond me.

Re: Delete Your Account Now: A Conversation with Jaron Lanier

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Post by [deleted] »

narrator wrote: post #8

I saw an absolutely epic debate between Jaron and a Singulatarian. He totally called them out on being religious in that they were just trying to make a geek version of the Christian rapture. I agree that the guy is like RMS in that he is an original thinker who works from first principles and that tends to give him an understanding that is unique and worth listening to. BTW, Speaking of RMS and Jaron, is there some…

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