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Re: Bloated

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Post by ericst »

caf wrote: post #69
cesarb wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A perhaps more workable solution would be to have per-tab indicators of total bytes downloaded, peak memory used, and total CPU time used (the first one already exists as part of the developer tools, but it's hidden by default). People on fast computers and fast networks do not feel the weight of bloated pages; making it visible to everyone provides an incentive to reduce it.

Perhaps summarised as "the percentage of your battery this tab has consumed".

I really think that you are onto something there. Or maybe a bloat index calculating the ratio between user content and downloaded content. Like 1kB of text but with 2 MB of JavaScript/CSS etc would give you an index of 2000 whereas if you only had 23 kB of JavaScript/CSS etc, it would 23.

Re: Bloated

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Post by agumonkey »

Kudos

ps: adding to the heartbreaking side of the web, when you use google cache in text-only, you see how often there was nothing to read (almost)

Re: Bloated

#83

Post by vram22 »

wink wrote: post #71
vram22 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So your web traffic might be to personal websites (mine is, too) - but we're a minority I guess But then that would be an improved situation for the two of you, right? (And many others like you, including me.) So it would still make some difference to those who care. The overall load on the web would still be higher than it could be, though, due to the bloat. Small improvements should not necessarily be neglected or…

Sure, especially as it won't hurt. I think I've been doing pretty good with the websites I control - but I don't have many visitors (which is fine). Everything is 'every little bit helps' and it shouldn't make you listen to the naysayers (e.g yours truly) - I'm just a little disappointed because I think it will not make a big difference. At least my conscience is clear ;)

Got you now, makes sense.

Re: Bloated

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Post by wldlyinaccurate »

I used to work for the companies that build these bloated websites. I spent a year rebuilding the BBC News front page to make it not-awful[1] but it felt like I was fighting against the rising tide.

I've since moved on and now work at SpeedCurve. It's pretty motivating to see so many of our customers making their websites faster and generally better for the people who use them. It's also pretty depressing to know that the web overall is spiralling down the drain and getting heavier slower every year[2]. What a shit show.

[1] https://wildlyinaccurate.com/introducing-a-faster-bbc-news-f...

[2] https://speedcurve.com/blog/web-performance-page-bloat/

Re: Bloated

#85

Post by MrEldritch »

mhink wrote: post #19

With regards to the "usually a news site" part, somebody put me onto CNN's "lite" page the other day, and it's honestly a freaking joy to use. http://lite.cnn.com/en On the other hand, I think there's definitely a case to be made for rich, application-like presentation of content, when it enhances the delivery of information . For instance: http://www.r2d3.us/visual-intro-to-machine-learning-part-1/ The problem is th…

>http://lite.cnn.com/en

Oh my God. I forgot how nice it is when websites Just Work without any lag or stuttering or ads

Re: Bloated

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Post by dang »

matt4077 wrote: post #55
romwell wrote: post #34

I am dreaming of a solution to bloat where all mainstream browsers would be throttling per-tab CPU/memory/bandwith usage to Pentium III-on-DSL-circa-2001 levels by default. (The "full speed" option should be there to keep power user from switching, but it should not be obvious to, say, 50% of users). This should be pushed as a feature : now your browser helps make your computer work faster; any slowness in page loadi…

So you think slow websites are such a terrible problem that you are willing to sacrifice (other) peoples' perfomance, just to teach someone a lesson? Your idea alone disproves the problem: You are upset that nobody is actually hurt by these transgressions against your esthetic sensibilities. So you want to force some actual harm onto the public until they indulge your special little fight for justice (and bandwith).

Please be civil.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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