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Re: Bloated

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Post by wink »

vram22 wrote: post #52
wink wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

of course I don't have any real data, but I'd bet a lot that most of the internet's non-automated (i.e. human) web traffic is to big publications and organizations. The "private web" is kind of dead. (Let's assume a generous 20% usage, which is still kinda dead). So your web traffic might be to personal websites (mine is, too) - but we're a minority I guess. So while the goal is laudable, even a 100% change would pro…

>So your web traffic might be to personal websites (mine is, too) - but we're a minority I guess But then that would be an improved situation for the two of you, right? (And many others like you, including me.) So it would still make some difference to those who care. The overall load on the web would still be higher than it could be, though, due to the bloat. Small improvements should not necessarily be neglected or…

Sure, especially as it won't hurt. I think I've been doing pretty good with the websites I control - but I don't have many visitors (which is fine).

Everything is 'every little bit helps' and it shouldn't make you listen to the naysayers (e.g yours truly) - I'm just a little disappointed because I think it will not make a big difference. At least my conscience is clear ;)

Re: Bloated

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Post by narag »

zzzcpan wrote: post #15
iforgotpassword wrote: post #8

This feels like the trillionth time I read a rant like this, but that doesn't make it less true or important. I really wonder from time to time if it's just me, having become and old grumpy "get off my lawn" grandpa unable to cope with the world keeping turning and moving forward. "You can't write everything from scratch every time" "That's just how it's done today" "Cmon, people aren't running IE5 on a pentium 2 any…

As long as advertising corporations keep control of your web browser, the experience will always be optimized for ad tech and maybe some other megacorp interests, but definitely not for you. That's the problem. I imagine a web browser actually made for the user will try hard to extract content from web pages by default, render them with decent consistent UX and not blindly let third parties display and execute any cr…

Agreed, current add-ons are clearly not enough.

Re: Bloated

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Post by chocolatkey »

firefoxd wrote: post #56
majewsky wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have any analytics on my blog. Can you explain the benefit of GA over Piwik? What genuinely useful insights does GA give you (specifically for a personal blog) that Piwik does not? (I assume that the info from Piwik would be similar to what you get from computing stats from the web server access log.)

It's not the insights, I think piwik got that part right. The problem is when traffic increased piwik and the server it was on could no longer support it.

Agreed, piwik with lots of traffic is a major problem that can slow the server to a halt (for those of us without a massive budget)

Re: Bloated

#74

Post by keyle »

I'm going to take this opportunity to talk again about the new Gmail and how horribly bloated it is... Scrolling skips frames all the time. And now you're forced in the new version, you can't 'go back' anymore...

Re: Bloated

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Post by ux-app »

The new Reddit site is a major offender. After about 5 pages worth of scrolling FF becomes janky (takes Chrome about 10 pages, but i'm off Chrome now). Once the jank sets in closing the tab leads to a UI lockup as FF presumably tries to unload all the garbage in memory.

At least they still have old.reddit to fall back to.

Re: Bloated

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Post by firefoxd »

ux-app wrote: post #75

The new Reddit site is a major offender. After about 5 pages worth of scrolling FF becomes janky (takes Chrome about 10 pages, but i'm off Chrome now). Once the jank sets in closing the tab leads to a UI lockup as FF presumably tries to unload all the garbage in memory. At least they still have old.reddit to fall back to.

I guess the new design is curing the addiction to reddit.

Re: Bloated

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Post by oso2k »

mhink wrote: post #19

With regards to the "usually a news site" part, somebody put me onto CNN's "lite" page the other day, and it's honestly a freaking joy to use. http://lite.cnn.com/en On the other hand, I think there's definitely a case to be made for rich, application-like presentation of content, when it enhances the delivery of information . For instance: http://www.r2d3.us/visual-intro-to-machine-learning-part-1/ The problem is th…

I miss the days where sites like slashdot had an “ultramode” version. Text only, 0 bloat.

Re: Bloated

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Post by jraph »

cesarb wrote: post #65
romwell wrote: post #34

I am dreaming of a solution to bloat where all mainstream browsers would be throttling per-tab CPU/memory/bandwith usage to Pentium III-on-DSL-circa-2001 levels by default. (The "full speed" option should be there to keep power user from switching, but it should not be obvious to, say, 50% of users). This should be pushed as a feature : now your browser helps make your computer work faster; any slowness in page loadi…

A perhaps more workable solution would be to have per-tab indicators of total bytes downloaded, peak memory used, and total CPU time used (the first one already exists as part of the developer tools, but it's hidden by default). People on fast computers and fast networks do not feel the weight of bloated pages; making it visible to everyone provides an incentive to reduce it.

With an indicator like "better / worse than X% web pages".

Re: Bloated

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Post by romwell »

qwertay wrote: post #62
romwell wrote: post #34

I am dreaming of a solution to bloat where all mainstream browsers would be throttling per-tab CPU/memory/bandwith usage to Pentium III-on-DSL-circa-2001 levels by default. (The "full speed" option should be there to keep power user from switching, but it should not be obvious to, say, 50% of users). This should be pushed as a feature : now your browser helps make your computer work faster; any slowness in page loadi…

The first browser to do this everyone would leave because the others are faster.

That's why it's but a dream.

If all browsers did this at once, though...

Re: Bloated

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Post by RazrFalcon »

butz wrote: post #7

Great initiative. Site loads fast, text is readable, adblocker has nothing to block - what more could you want from website? You might want to look into optimizing SVG files, as Inkscape by default leaves a lot of unnecessary metadata.

I came here to write the same. svgcleaner[1] will reduce it from 8.4KiB to 1.3KiB (compressed with zopfli). Which is 85% smaller.

And a manually crafted one is just 477B. And 261B compressed. Which is just 3% of the original.

Now we can talk about bloatedness.

  
    
    
    
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[1]: https://github.com/RazrFalcon/svgcleaner
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