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Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by aphextron » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 8:59 PM UTC

xixixao wrote: post #67

aphextron wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Are there use cases for Magic Leap that support non gamers ? Or is it mostly a niche product like an Oculus ? AR will definitely be the way forward for all computing. This brief awkward period of 50ish years using analog inputs and physical screens which we are currently living through will be seen as a blip in the history of human-computer interaction hundreds of years from now. However the only use case for this i…

I am a big VR/AR fan, but I am interacting with this forum sitting in a chair moving my hands max 2 inches there and back. That's comfortable. That's something I can do for hours and hours. It's quite possible that VR/AR will augment, not replace.

Total replacement won't come until things are completely seamless, but it's definitely happening. Especially in cars. It will just become completely seamless for you to ask your car to display directions from Google maps as an AR projection on all the vehicle windows. Once these headsets get down to a normal pair of glasses with full FOV, people will just wear them all day every day. At that point the lines between reality and virtual will blur and AR will be the default interaction.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by sbr464 » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:09 PM UTC

spullara wrote: post #65

I have one of these and a Hololens. Basically the ML1 is incremental improvement. There are still no mainstream consumer use cases that are plausible.

Curious--how is the font rendering/text quality? Example, working with digital cards with a title, short description, maybe numbers (currency/stats etc), reading them quickly and organizing them. I'm familiar with Oculus, so maybe in general and compared to the Rift?

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by DonHopkins » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:09 PM UTC

maccard wrote: post #77

DonHopkins wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like the way we had to suffer through the developer slave auctions at the infamous Microsoft "Pax Romana" toga party in Spartan Arena they rented along with real live lions for the DirectX II launch party, which decades later eventually led to the Hololens. The ends always justify the means. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.games.programmer... https://books.google.nl/books?id=1wEAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT115&lpg…

When you mentioned DX II I immediately thought of Alex st john and thought "surely that's a coincidence". Amusingly, I was wrong.

Even his own daughter thinks his 'vile' opinions he expressed in his 'horrific toddler meltdown' are 'sexist' and 'wrong' and 'revolting'.

https://www.polygon.com/2016/4/21/11479710/alex-st-johns-dau...

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by sand500 » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:16 PM UTC

spullara wrote: post #65

I have one of these and a Hololens. Basically the ML1 is incremental improvement. There are still no mainstream consumer use cases that are plausible.

Incremental improvement and $700 cheaper.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by spullara » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:19 PM UTC

sbr464 wrote: post #82

spullara wrote: post #65

I have one of these and a Hololens. Basically the ML1 is incremental improvement. There are still no mainstream consumer use cases that are plausible.

Curious--how is the font rendering/text quality? Example, working with digital cards with a title, short description, maybe numbers (currency/stats etc), reading them quickly and organizing them. I'm familiar with Oculus, so maybe in general and compared to the Rift?

Hard to say. The experience is quite a bit different than VR headsets. I can imagine that with its small FoV that it ought to be a bit better but I don't have an easy way to compare them.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by mattbierner » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:20 PM UTC

Any developers actively creating (and sharing) interesting stuff for the device? The examples on their website feel like stuff I’ve seen before. I’d be interested in hearing about the good things and the challenges of developing for their platform and for AR in general

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by gowld » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:26 PM UTC

40acres wrote: post #50

It's interesting reading startup literature regarding MVPs and iterating quickly and notice that almost none of it applies to the AR/VR space. Between Magic Leap and Ubiquty6 it seems like the most interesting players in AR are more notable for their funding rounds than for anything else. Magic Leap is rolling out their own hardware so it's more understandable but its really hard to justify spending $2K on a first ge…

It's new tech. It's not for you to keep in your closet. It's for hotels and arcades and parties and other such rental use cases.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by ghaff » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:28 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #87

40acres wrote: post #50

It's interesting reading startup literature regarding MVPs and iterating quickly and notice that almost none of it applies to the AR/VR space. Between Magic Leap and Ubiquty6 it seems like the most interesting players in AR are more notable for their funding rounds than for anything else. Magic Leap is rolling out their own hardware so it's more understandable but its really hard to justify spending $2K on a first ge…

It's new tech. It's not for you to keep in your closet. It's for hotels and arcades and parties and other such rental use cases.

I'd be skeptical you get sufficient volume with just specialty uses.

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by Reedx » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:31 PM UTC

DonHopkins wrote: post #27

kadendogthing wrote: post #22

Are they planning a sort of technical deep dive/developer Q&A? The page reeks of marketing and is extremely lax on any kind of substantial details that would make me want to purchase one of these things. I've enjoyed my vive and rift since they both came out, and I'd love to try this gadget out. It doesn't appear to be worth the cost at face value though.

I'm shocked, I say shocked, that something from Magic Leap could possibly be said to reek of marketing. You should spend the next six minutes and seventeen seconds of your life watching this amazing piece of public relations magic that transparently unveils the deep truth of what Magic Leap is really all about: The synthesis of imagination: Rony Abovitz and Magic Leap at TEDxSarasota https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w…

I don't understand how Magic Leap thought this was worthwhile. Nor do I understand how TEDx thought it was an idea worth spreading.

Can anyone explain the logic behind it on both sides?

Re: Magic Leap One now available for $2295

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Post by killerpopiller » Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 9:32 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #87

40acres wrote: post #50

It's interesting reading startup literature regarding MVPs and iterating quickly and notice that almost none of it applies to the AR/VR space. Between Magic Leap and Ubiquty6 it seems like the most interesting players in AR are more notable for their funding rounds than for anything else. Magic Leap is rolling out their own hardware so it's more understandable but its really hard to justify spending $2K on a first ge…

It's new tech. It's not for you to keep in your closet. It's for hotels and arcades and parties and other such rental use cases.

I remain sceptical and feel reminded on the 3D-Displays in the late 90ies from 4D-Vision, later x3d and then opticality. 3D without glasses but no content (except some plugins for 3D-SW) to drive adoption.