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Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by Svoka »

chomp wrote: post #78
Svoka wrote: post #62

Author, Yegor Bugayenko, is misogynist in worst of it. I listened to him being guest on a podcast, where he told that women brain is unfit to perform logical tasks, like coding or planning, and that women are much more fit at home kitchen than in any office. And I wish I was exaggerating, but one of the hosts was female programmer and he tried to convince her that she's inferior as professional because of her gender.

Hey, I think this is an ad hominem argument and not really relevant to the hacking -> sociotech argument the author was trying to make.

Any article from him is about self promotion. He is trying to promote his views among which are extremely sexist and disgusting ones. He also promotes his startup and anyone backing it should know whom they're dealing with.

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by retox »

Svoka wrote: post #62

Author, Yegor Bugayenko, is misogynist in worst of it. I listened to him being guest on a podcast, where he told that women brain is unfit to perform logical tasks, like coding or planning, and that women are much more fit at home kitchen than in any office. And I wish I was exaggerating, but one of the hosts was female programmer and he tried to convince her that she's inferior as professional because of her gender.

How is that relevant to this discussion?

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by Svoka »

retox wrote: post #82
Svoka wrote: post #62

Author, Yegor Bugayenko, is misogynist in worst of it. I listened to him being guest on a podcast, where he told that women brain is unfit to perform logical tasks, like coding or planning, and that women are much more fit at home kitchen than in any office. And I wish I was exaggerating, but one of the hosts was female programmer and he tried to convince her that she's inferior as professional because of her gender.

How is that relevant to this discussion?

Only reason for this article is self promotion, which includes promotion of extremely sexists and racist views he exhibits.

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by Svoka »

freeflight wrote: post #72
Svoka wrote: post #62

Author, Yegor Bugayenko, is misogynist in worst of it. I listened to him being guest on a podcast, where he told that women brain is unfit to perform logical tasks, like coding or planning, and that women are much more fit at home kitchen than in any office. And I wish I was exaggerating, but one of the hosts was female programmer and he tried to convince her that she's inferior as professional because of her gender.

What podcast was it?

https://radio-t.com/p/2017/06/03/podcast-548/ (1:26:00) It is in russian though.

Egor answers to a question, why his company has only 2 female coders from 500. His answers is a joke "Female Coders are like guinea pigs, neither Hyena neither Pigs. So lets not try to make programmers from women, because they they'are not women and not coders"

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by Svoka »

paulddraper wrote: post #71
Svoka wrote: post #62

Author, Yegor Bugayenko, is misogynist in worst of it. I listened to him being guest on a podcast, where he told that women brain is unfit to perform logical tasks, like coding or planning, and that women are much more fit at home kitchen than in any office. And I wish I was exaggerating, but one of the hosts was female programmer and he tried to convince her that she's inferior as professional because of her gender.

Link?

above

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by mmt »

mmaunder wrote: post #30

This post tries to abstract programming away into the OSS community, stackoverflow community, hardware providers etc, and takes the position that programming today requires you to use and direct those resources. Programmers create open source, write helpful SO posts and design hardware and OS. This reminds me of the assumption that the 'cloud' is making IT personel obsolete, when it's just someone else's computer and…

> 'cloud' is making IT personel obsolete, when it's just someone else's computer and IT staff.

Worse, it's just someone else's computer and mostly just hardware-IT staff, and that's not the difficult or expensive part, despite the current mythology among those who have never done it.

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by mmt »

mycall wrote: post #46

> In 2018, they are currently making three times more That's news to me.

The article also quotes a misinterpetation of a misstatement of Moore's Law:

> "Computers [have] doubled in power every 18 months for the last 40 years."

This, along with the salary estimate you mentioned made all the numbers in the article quite suspect.

That doesn't necessarily invalidate whatever point the author was trying to make, but it does cast a shadow of lack of seriousness on the whole article.

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by Svoka »

Svoka wrote: post #62

Author, Yegor Bugayenko, is misogynist in worst of it. I listened to him being guest on a podcast, where he told that women brain is unfit to perform logical tasks, like coding or planning, and that women are much more fit at home kitchen than in any office. And I wish I was exaggerating, but one of the hosts was female programmer and he tried to convince her that she's inferior as professional because of her gender.

To be clear. This is not relevant to the topic. Just in case you would like to invite Egor to speak at some conference based on this article, I want you to know what opinions you'll get in the "package".

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by syntheticcdo »

paulpauper wrote: post #17

They have to know how to get help outside of an office or even a project team when working remotely and alone. Aside from Stack Overflow, which dominates the Q&A platform for programming market, there are documentation and code repositories that a professional programmer must know how to navigate. Those who previously only relied on colleagues and friends will now lose to those who know how to learn from the entire I…

Stack Overflow is an excellent resource for developers of all skills levels. I would break it down into four categories of usage:

1) Posting general questions about "coding", like syntax questions, ie- "how do you create a loop in JavaScript"

2) Posting specific, targeted questions about specifics of something the dev doesn't do on a regular basis, ie- "how do you use Google OAuth for logins"

3) Searching existing SO posts for general questions about "coding", ie- Google search for "what is the difference between let and var in JavaScript", read first SO result

4) Searching existing SO posts for the specifics, ie- Google search for "how to manage cross-tab communication using javascript", read first SO result

I would argue that a competent dev would (and should!) utilize SO using the 4th strategy on a regular basis (maybe weekly for a web dev) and occasionally the 2nd when all other resources have been exhausted. If you are paying someone $100k, yeah I agree that the first usage pattern is inappropriate, but saying "a developer shouldn't need to use StackOverflow" is a gross oversimplification of the vast knowledge that exists in SO.

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by mmt »

antod wrote: post #32

As an aside, was a gigabyte of memory only $1000 back in 2000? I seem to remember it being higher than that.

You may be remembering proprietary (e.g. Sun) versus commodity (the prices for which were even lower, according to the table in the sibling comment).

This sort of markup still exists in "enterprise" hardware today, which is why moving to the cloud actually is a cost savings for some places. Of course, operating their own operating their own commodity hardware instead would save even more, but this is typically a political impossibility.

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