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Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by kough »

No mention here yet so I'll recommend: if you think this idea might have merit and would like to read the relevant literature, check out Deming's The Growing Importance of Social Skills in the Labor Market [0]. Here's the abstract:

> The labor market increasingly rewards social skills. Between 1980 and 2012, jobs re- quiring high levels of social interaction grew by nearly 12 percentage points as a share of the U.S. labor force. Math-intensive but less social jobs - including many STEM occu- pations - shrank by 3.3 percentage points over the same period. Employment and wage growth was particularly strong for jobs requiring high levels of both math skill and so- cial skill. To understand these patterns, I develop a model of team production where workers “trade tasks” to exploit their comparative advantage. In the model, social skills reduce coordination costs, allowing workers to specialize and work together more effi- ciently. The model generates predictions about sorting and the relative returns to skill across occupations, which I investigate using data from the NLSY79 and the NLSY97. Using a comparable set of skill measures and covariates across survey waves, I find that the labor market return to social skills was much greater in the 2000s than in the mid 1980s and 1990s.

[0]: https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/ddeming/files/deming_socia...

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by paulpauper »

commandlinefan wrote: post #3

> This programming bible earned a famous comment from Bill Gates: "It took incredible discipline, and several months, for me to read it." I know he's a trillionaire and all and probably smarter than me but still - as somebody who spent a full three years reading and working through the problems in the first three books, I wonder how deep an understanding he could really have walked away with after just a few months.

I did a google search of Art of Computer Programming and see a ton of math problems. I was expecting more along the lines of actual code like assembly or machine code or something . Like actual code. How is summing an infinite series supposed to help me code better (summing the series is much easier, ill grant you that..combining ajax +css+php is hard )

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by closeparen »

paulpauper wrote: post #18

3x salary inflation would mean $240k. This says it's only $90k: The average salary for a Programmer is $89,128 in San Francisco, CA. Salaries estimates are based on 238 salaries submitted anonymously to Glassdoor by Programmer employees in San Francisco, CA.... are coders really making $240k /year? https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salaries/san-francisco-programmer-s... ?

The term Programmer is typically used to represent a much lower-status, lower-paid view of the work than Software Engineer. Check Glassdoor - it’s a pretty substantial salary difference.

Confused by the downvotes. Programmer: $89k. Software Engineer: $137k.

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by blazespin »

paulpauper wrote: post #18

3x salary inflation would mean $240k. This says it's only $90k: The average salary for a Programmer is $89,128 in San Francisco, CA. Salaries estimates are based on 238 salaries submitted anonymously to Glassdoor by Programmer employees in San Francisco, CA.... are coders really making $240k /year? https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salaries/san-francisco-programmer-s... ?

Yes, when you add rsus and sign on bonuses.

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by 3pt14159 »

paulpauper wrote: post #18

3x salary inflation would mean $240k. This says it's only $90k: The average salary for a Programmer is $89,128 in San Francisco, CA. Salaries estimates are based on 238 salaries submitted anonymously to Glassdoor by Programmer employees in San Francisco, CA.... are coders really making $240k /year? https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salaries/san-francisco-programmer-s... ?

Even here in Toronto I know many making that much or far more. Core framework devs make about $500k a year and AI devs with AI PhD's from good schools are in the seven figures per year.

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by rjsw »

protomyth wrote: post #12
mjw1007 wrote: post #4

Summary: « the skills required of professional and successful programmers are drastically different from the ones needed back in the 1990s. The profession now requires less mathematics and algorithms and instead emphasizes more skills under the umbrella term "sociotech." » is founder and CEO of software engineering and management platform .

So, I can expect this generation's CASE tool that magically generates all the optimized code from requirements given to this years priestho..... SocioTech Specialist? I think their case for advancement of development technologies or how much social interaction was needed in the 90's is a bit flawed.

The CASE tool will generate code from Instagram posts.

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by usmannk »

3pt14159 wrote: post #25
paulpauper wrote: post #18

3x salary inflation would mean $240k. This says it's only $90k: The average salary for a Programmer is $89,128 in San Francisco, CA. Salaries estimates are based on 238 salaries submitted anonymously to Glassdoor by Programmer employees in San Francisco, CA.... are coders really making $240k /year? https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salaries/san-francisco-programmer-s... ?

Even here in Toronto I know many making that much or far more. Core framework devs make about $500k a year and AI devs with AI PhD's from good schools are in the seven figures per year.

What’s an example of a “core framework dev”?

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by little_goat_boy »

paulpauper wrote: post #17

They have to know how to get help outside of an office or even a project team when working remotely and alone. Aside from Stack Overflow, which dominates the Q&A platform for programming market, there are documentation and code repositories that a professional programmer must know how to navigate. Those who previously only relied on colleagues and friends will now lose to those who know how to learn from the entire I…

Have you ever employeed a programmer, or worked as one?

Stack overflow is a valuable resource. I'd be pissed if my boss told me not to use it.

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by herval »

paulpauper wrote: post #18

3x salary inflation would mean $240k. This says it's only $90k: The average salary for a Programmer is $89,128 in San Francisco, CA. Salaries estimates are based on 238 salaries submitted anonymously to Glassdoor by Programmer employees in San Francisco, CA.... are coders really making $240k /year? https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salaries/san-francisco-programmer-s... ?

Yes - 220-250k is average total compensation for a senior in the bigcos in SF. Upwards to $500k+/y is not unheard of either... the variance is pretty crazy

Re: We are done with “Hacking”

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Post by mmaunder »

This post tries to abstract programming away into the OSS community, stackoverflow community, hardware providers etc, and takes the position that programming today requires you to use and direct those resources. Programmers create open source, write helpful SO posts and design hardware and OS.

This reminds me of the assumption that the 'cloud' is making IT personel obsolete, when it's just someone else's computer and IT staff.

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