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For someone completely out of the loop, since this jumped to #1 on HN: What's Zweibelfreunde? What's OpenLab? Why did the police raid them? Why should I care? And more importantly, why does HN care so much, apparently? :)
Here is an english statement from CCC that explains a lot: https://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2018/hausdurchsuchungen-bei-ve...
Its especially chilling, because in germany, we dont have the food of the poisonous tree doctrine. So even if the police searches those places illegaly, if they find something else while conducting the search, lets say small amount of drugs, they will prosecute you for that.
Small note, it's usually rendered as "fruit" of the poisonous tree. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree
A bit of perspective for non-Germans: The raid was ordered from Bavaria, a state in Germany which is traditionally governed by the conservative CSU party, which is currently also in the (international) headlines for the ongoing immigration fight, since they are part of the federal government with Merkel (they are taking a very though standpoint on immigration). Just recently this party introduced a new police law in…
They also recently passed a law that allows the police to indefinitely detain you. Also the prosecutor there has a long history of scandals accumulating on their wikipedia page: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staatsanwaltschaft_Augsburg
After my initial outrage, I calmed down and looked at this dryly. What if the main issue is that the prosecutors just do not have appropriate mental models of hackers? The crucial step is that they wanted to get ahold of Riseup, a mail provider (and hence, in their view, a commercial entity). Then they find those German people (whom they can get ahold of) who collect money for Riseup. I find it very likely that they…
Worse, if you suspect that somebody's role is related to fund raising then it very unlikely that that person has detailed operational information.
To the extent that the police is aware that riseup is a US-based organisation, then any kind of forced cooperation the German police would get from the people outside the US would unlikely to have any effect, because a US-based organisation is likely to only respond to requests from a US police organisation.
So this kind of action can only be explained by criminal carelessness or a goal to intimidate.
A bit of perspective for non-Germans: The raid was ordered from Bavaria, a state in Germany which is traditionally governed by the conservative CSU party, which is currently also in the (international) headlines for the ongoing immigration fight, since they are part of the federal government with Merkel (they are taking a very though standpoint on immigration). Just recently this party introduced a new police law in…
And Munich is traditionally governed by the center-left SPD. I find your attempt to inject party politics in this a diversion. Just because the state government is well to the right and turning populist, it doesn't mean that the independent judiciary is just the same.
Try to tell this a Bavarian pothead.
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>Oh, you are the one with the flagged comment in this thread. Which perfectly illustrates my point. I haven't said anything offensive. People are treating extremism differently depending on which side they're on and that's stupid. HN is very far left, so this opinion is unpopular.
It's because you say "they" are extremist without saying who you actually are talking about. Then you start a new comment with "These same people are calling others Nazi" Who? When? Where?
The CCC and most of its members - and they don't exactly hide it. The CCC founder was on the far left and that's exactly the course it took.
They have talks by Antifa activists. They have combined CCC and Antifa logos hanging in their centers: https://twitter.com/DandelionInaBox/status/90147462783431884...
German Antifa are about as extremist as it gets and they are rightly watched by the state police. They threaten and attack citizens and police for political reasons and do about everything else that's considered extremist.
tl;dr: Left extremism is openly accepted by the CCC.
Now you can downvote this post too, but these are verifiable facts.
A bit of perspective for non-Germans: The raid was ordered from Bavaria, a state in Germany which is traditionally governed by the conservative CSU party, which is currently also in the (international) headlines for the ongoing immigration fight, since they are part of the federal government with Merkel (they are taking a very though standpoint on immigration). Just recently this party introduced a new police law in…
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A bit of perspective for non-Germans: The raid was ordered from Bavaria, a state in Germany which is traditionally governed by the conservative CSU party, which is currently also in the (international) headlines for the ongoing immigration fight, since they are part of the federal government with Merkel (they are taking a very though standpoint on immigration). Just recently this party introduced a new police law in…
They also recently passed a law that allows the police to indefinitely detain you. Also the prosecutor there has a long history of scandals accumulating on their wikipedia page: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staatsanwaltschaft_Augsburg
But now that some other german states took over the unconstitutional interpretation of federal law from Bavarian judges it became a state issue. There should be some oversight, when judges and police plot against constitutional rights.
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But for raids there needs to be reason. I think something like the second Iraq war cannot happen inside a legal system without repercussion, at least as long as the legal system still functions.
Nah you can drop 26 thousand bombs without ever being at 'war' https://www.cfr.org/blog/how-many-bombs-did-united-states-dr...
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It's because you say "they" are extremist without saying who you actually are talking about. Then you start a new comment with "These same people are calling others Nazi" Who? When? Where?
>Who? When? Where? The CCC and most of its members - and they don't exactly hide it. The CCC founder was on the far left and that's exactly the course it took. They have talks by Antifa activists. They have combined CCC and Antifa logos hanging in their centers: https://twitter.com/DandelionInaBox/status/90147462783431884... German Antifa are about as extremist as it gets and they are rightly watched by the state pol…
And who did CCC say is a Nazi just for sharing non-radical ideas with conservative parties?