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Is there an Electronic Frontier Foundation equivalent in Germany? If not, what stops police from conducting searches like this in future? (If this can even be shown as illegal in a court.) I doubt individuals or even small organization can properly fight legal battles.
For someone completely out of the loop, since this jumped to #1 on HN: What's Zweibelfreunde? What's OpenLab? Why did the police raid them? Why should I care? And more importantly, why does HN care so much, apparently? :)
Read the article goddamnit this isn’t reddit..
A bit of perspective for non-Germans: The raid was ordered from Bavaria, a state in Germany which is traditionally governed by the conservative CSU party, which is currently also in the (international) headlines for the ongoing immigration fight, since they are part of the federal government with Merkel (they are taking a very though standpoint on immigration). Just recently this party introduced a new police law in…
And Munich is traditionally governed by the center-left SPD. I find your attempt to inject party politics in this a diversion. Just because the state government is well to the right and turning populist, it doesn't mean that the independent judiciary is just the same.
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Help me understand as I am not living in Germany: Authorities can search and seize property of any civilian without a warrant if said civilian is just a witness? If yes, then who decides and how is it decided that someone is a witness? If for example I happen to stand in front of my window and witness a crime being committed in the street, they could search my house without any consent or warrant?
>> If for example I happen to stand in front of my window and witness a crime being committed in the street, That is probably not an instance, where a search warrant would be reasonable. But if for example you denounce someone for embezzlement, and during the investigation it comes to light that you have profited from this act of embezzlement yourself, a search warrant would be given (against you) despite of you beei…
So a judge who makes mistakes like this, should be kicked out. Of course, that will never happen. I'm not sure if there is even a reasonable procedure to file a complaint and get such a judge kicked out.
I found this part the most disturbing: > While searching the premises of the board members in Augsburg, Jena, Dresden, and Berlin, the police – on their own accord –decided to extend the search to premises also used by members of the CCC: the OpenLab in Augsburg. Here the officers were confronted with hackers in their natural habitat: substances to clean and etch circuit boards as well as hair bleach. After interpret…
The crucial step is that they wanted to get ahold of Riseup, a mail provider (and hence, in their view, a commercial entity). Then they find those German people (whom they can get ahold of) who collect money for Riseup. I find it very likely that they just could not imagine someone collecting money for a commercial entity without being financially and personally intertwined with said entity.
For example, if you see someone collecting money for Coca-Cola, wouldn't you think that they're paid by Coca-Cola, no matter how much they insisted they're "just fans"?
(Note: This argument only concerns the original warrant. What the policemen did at the hackerspachackerspace was just preposterous.)
Fun fact: the police found a "3d printed, bomb shaped object" and put it into an evidence bag with the label "offence: causing an explosive blast". The object can be seen in action here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2HDoyKE2W8
to be more precise, police identified it as "presumed model of an atomic bomb". But the criminal offence is spot on: http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-1310464-860_poster_16x9-...
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And Munich is traditionally governed by the center-left SPD. I find your attempt to inject party politics in this a diversion. Just because the state government is well to the right and turning populist, it doesn't mean that the independent judiciary is just the same.
In germany the ministry of justice (state, not city) is authorized to give orders to the prosecutors, allowing for a very direct influence of party politics onto the judiciary system.
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>These same people are calling others Nazis for sharing non-radical ideas with conservative parties. Who? The CCC or Zwiebelfreunde? Can you give me a link? Edit: Oh, you are the one with the flagged comment in this thread.
Which perfectly illustrates my point. I haven't said anything offensive. People are treating extremism differently depending on which side they're on and that's stupid. HN is very far left, so this opinion is unpopular.
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>These same people are calling others Nazis for sharing non-radical ideas with conservative parties. Who? The CCC or Zwiebelfreunde? Can you give me a link? Edit: Oh, you are the one with the flagged comment in this thread.
>Oh, you are the one with the flagged comment in this thread. Which perfectly illustrates my point. I haven't said anything offensive. People are treating extremism differently depending on which side they're on and that's stupid. HN is very far left, so this opinion is unpopular.
Then you start a new comment with "These same people are calling others Nazi"
Who? When? Where?