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Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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Don't they prefer to be not in the EU, because they can keep their oil to themselves? (AFAIK if they're in the EU then EU oil companies can ask to drill in their territory: https://www.politico.eu/article/of-crustaceans-and-oil-the-c... ). So maybe it's better to have no deciding voice but be able to keep all the money.

Oil companies can still get licenses and drill in Norway, they just have to pay taxes (80%) and that won't change. The people decided in two referendums that they do not want to be in the EU, but the politicians did not accept it and created the EAA/EØS which basically puts us in EU in all but name with very limited power to influence what happens there. It was not democratically done. I am pro EU, but it was the wro…

Hey, and we in the UK are going pretty much exactly the same way!

Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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I just went through the "Manage Your Information" option on the FB website itself. It's terrible, every individual option only has a link to a long document you must read to figure out how to manage your information for only that one particular setting. Then you must separately do that yourself following the instructions, then go back to the Manage Your Information screen and select another of the many topics there and do it all again -- for each individual item in the list.

FB really does not want to make it easy for you to quickly change all your settings.

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What a surprise! Microsoft villianised over the decades seems to be better than Google and Facebook. This brings us to the question. Have you paid XX money for a service that doesn’t show ads. Are you happy with it?

This is the most ridiculous comment I've seen all month. I don't know if it's due to ignorance or some PR department in Redmond. Microsoft is the worst by far when it comes to privacy violations and dark patterns. And it's obvious to anyone who's ever heard about Windows 10 in the news over the past few years. But let me break it down anyway. First of all, Windows 10 is constantly stealing your personal info. To an e…

It would be fair to get rid of Windows from all EU public authorities, schools, etc. I really don't understand why is it still not done after so many years?

Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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By staying at Facebook your friends are explicitly supporting these and other scummy actions. They have decided to hold their noses and prioritise themselves over humanity. Think less of them.

This is a totally inappropriate thing to ask of anyone. Please rethink your view on life. Edit: Also, that's not what "explicitly" means. I think you meant "implicitly".

Except for the "think less of them," part, I don't think it's inappropriate -- we all get to vote every second of the day for the companies that rule our world. We vote with our wallet every time we buy even the smallest thing, and we vote with our clicks when we choose to use web services.

It is far from the most extreme of social changes that have occurred in history to suggest people stop using a particular company's tools.

Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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I noticed Twitch is doing the same thing, if you "manage your choices" you get the banner to "manage your choices" on every page load, the only way to get rid of the banner was to "accept" which accepts everything. (I hope it was just a 'bug' but it didn't feel like it.) I don't get it though, if companies are so scared of being fined 4% of revenue that they put up these banners, aren't they inviting the worse end of…

The worst offender I've encountered is imgur.com, where "click here to manage your privacy settings" brings you to a page with literally hundreds of advertisers. About half are on "allowed" by default. If you want to disallow, you have to select each entry individually . The other half only specify "requires opt-out", apparently imgur expects you to contact some third party to do so. How on earth they expect to wease…

> imgur.com

I would absolutely not expect good behaviour from them with respect to advertising, including but not limited to tracking.

That site was the final bail of hay that had me install ad blocking measures at the network level. Too often their advertising partners would attempt pop-ups, drive-by installs, gaining access to microphones, and other arse-hole-ery.

For myself I can just stop going there, but there are others in the household that wouldn't have done and I didn't want the job of cleaning their machines is something did get in. Of course my other option is add imgur.com itself to a malicious sites list so it'll be blocked completely at the network level...

Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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You can do something to make a real difference. First contact data controller ex. Facebook, Google or any company which doesn't respect your privacy and rights, tell them to stop. If they refuse to take action then contact your national data authority and they will investigate it for you. https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo....

Direct link to contact details: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/n...

Re: Norwegian Consumer Council report on how tech companies use dark patterns [pdf]

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Microsoft _still_ does not let me turn off "Basic usage data/telemetry" being sent to them. I tried to call them about it a month ago and they hung up on me. The one computer in my house running windows is still blocked with this popup.

Can you block it using a Pi-hole?

Of course, I have long since added this list[1] to my openbsd firewall. That is besides the point, I can (and do) also block all crap in my browser via extensions. That doesn't make the crap they are pulling legal and I refuse to click "accept" on the popup that is currently locking the machine from being used. If it does not change soon I will reclaim the license money via microsoft directly or court.

All my important machines run operating systems that do not have spyware built-in.

[1] https://github.com/crazy-max/WindowsSpyBlocker

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