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Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Post by simion314 »

hartator wrote: post #66
IBM wrote: post #13

Zuckerberg went to Congress and told them Facebook would support GDPR, as if the only thing GDPR is are just some controls you'd do at the user interface level (and as we learned today, that they're attempting to get around with dark pattern designs [1]). GDPR is much more comprehensive than that, but most importantly it gives data privacy regulators real teeth to enforce with (fines up to 4% of global revenue). The…

You are assuming GDPR is good. I don’t think so. I don’t want GDRP in the US. The worst abuser of privacy - right now - is the government. I don’t think putting redtapes on startups will solve anything.

Do you also think that food industry should not be regulated, I mean is it important that rats could walk on your food ingredients as long as users don't know and are happy with the final product? Do you think that food businesses are affected by this regulations and we do not see the a move fast and kill people in the industry?

Same for fire safety,road safety, air transport safety regulations, I am sure that many business people would benefit by ignoring this laws, so let's do what is better for some business people and who cares about society.

Related to GDPR specifically, don't collect personal data that your product does not need, is it hard? Maybe you need to put a bit of effort to be in compliance but if your product is hones then you are fine, if you are not honest and you were collecting data in the hope you maybe could sell it later then I understand why you don't like it,

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Post by CiaranMcNulty »

_rpd wrote: post #41
chrischen wrote: post #35

User's generally won't care about privacy, but they will care about money. What this essentially boils down to is Facebook is charging users by taking their data, which is worth some amount of money.

Website terms and conditions could ask for a pint of blood from their firstborn and people would still click okay. No one reads these things. The GDPR is just going to end up being a more annoying version of the cookie law.

Using consent as a basis to handle personal details under GDPR requires:

* Consent is gained granularly, prominently, and separately from other terms and conditions * Consent is opt-in and individuals can refuse to consent without detriment

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Post by sametmax »

kalleboo wrote: post #71

> But the fact that the button to reject the new Terms of Service isn’t even a button, it’s a tiny “see your options” hyperlink, shows how badly Facebook wants to avoid you closing your account. > When Facebook’s product designer for the GDPR flow was asked if she thought this hyperlink was the best way to present the alternative to the big “I Accept” button, she disingenuously said yes, eliciting scoffs from the roo…

It's the best way, just not for us.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Post by kartan »

kalleboo wrote: post #71

> But the fact that the button to reject the new Terms of Service isn’t even a button, it’s a tiny “see your options” hyperlink, shows how badly Facebook wants to avoid you closing your account. > When Facebook’s product designer for the GDPR flow was asked if she thought this hyperlink was the best way to present the alternative to the big “I Accept” button, she disingenuously said yes, eliciting scoffs from the roo…

> I wonder if I could live with myself if this was my job.

You are in the company, you have a job to do, everybody else is doing it. Other people share your concerns, but in the end, you have a feature to deliver and you don't want to fail your team. Some people is really concerned, they try to change things, they quit, they are tired of the pressure of going against the managers and making it more difficult for their own teams. Peer pressure, management pressure, etc. is an important factor. I don't think that the people that do this things get paid better than anyone else.

I have been in too many situations where your team is in the "hamster wheel" and is just doing without thinking. Fast-growing companies have the incentive to run forward, quite often without so much direction.

It is easier to not join a job that you don't want, that to not do it once you are already in. So, think before joining if that is what you want to do. Once in, you will see that they are not evil people, that they are trying the best to do their jobs. And that to change things is hard, even when is in the company best interest, so much harder when the company will lose revenue.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Post by ModernMech »

xrayzerone wrote: post #70
tmnvix wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And on that note what's with all the commies on HN?! I very much value the good faith exhibited on this forum. This comment is the antithesis of that. It is nothing more than bigotry.

That's weird. I don't see similar responses whenever someone calls those who lean right of center "Trumpkins" or other witty epithets.

Trump isn't right of center, Trump is right of right.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Post by mantas »

martin_bech wrote: post #72
hartator wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are assuming GDPR is good. I don’t think so. I don’t want GDRP in the US. The worst abuser of privacy - right now - is the government. I don’t think putting redtapes on startups will solve anything.

That is a somewhat valid concern, but here in Denmark (EU) GDPR har actually been helpful to highlight some of the data collection by the state, and some of it, has been set on standby or at least been postponed because of concerns (student mental health/well beeing, was so to be registered, and stored on a SSN level “for research”)

Got any articles on that? I wonder what local agencies I could fuck with in my country thanks to GDPR :)

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Post by ggg9990 »

IBM wrote: post #13

Zuckerberg went to Congress and told them Facebook would support GDPR, as if the only thing GDPR is are just some controls you'd do at the user interface level (and as we learned today, that they're attempting to get around with dark pattern designs [1]). GDPR is much more comprehensive than that, but most importantly it gives data privacy regulators real teeth to enforce with (fines up to 4% of global revenue). The…

All major tech companies are going to make the GDPR tools available globally for fear of accidentally misidentifying someone as not covered by the GDPR. Facebook will not be an exception regardless of what they are saying now.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Post by benevol »

IBM wrote: post #13

Zuckerberg went to Congress and told them Facebook would support GDPR, as if the only thing GDPR is are just some controls you'd do at the user interface level (and as we learned today, that they're attempting to get around with dark pattern designs [1]). GDPR is much more comprehensive than that, but most importantly it gives data privacy regulators real teeth to enforce with (fines up to 4% of global revenue). The…

Facebook just needs to be gone forever now.

Re: Facebook to change user terms, limiting effect of EU privacy law

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Post by sgeisler »

_rpd wrote: post #41
chrischen wrote: post #35

User's generally won't care about privacy, but they will care about money. What this essentially boils down to is Facebook is charging users by taking their data, which is worth some amount of money.

Website terms and conditions could ask for a pint of blood from their firstborn and people would still click okay. No one reads these things. The GDPR is just going to end up being a more annoying version of the cookie law.

I'd be interested if you could ask your users if they are _not_ a EU resident. Only if they click yes go ahead, otherwise show that you will not serve them. Probably 90% would learn to click the "Not from EU" button. Who should hold you accountable for false user input in that case?
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