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YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

collias wrote: post #31
MrMember wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've deleted both my YouTube and reddit accounts. I've been trying to de-Google my life, this will probably accelerate that. Just need a proper mobile Linux device and I can finally dump Android.

Why not an iPhone? At least Apple seems to care about privacy, and they aren't an ad-tech company like Google or FB.

No removable battery, no headphone jack, no SD card expansion, increased difficulty installing apps not in the official store..

Apples ecosystem is a gilded ghetto

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by yequalsx »

ameister14 wrote: post #79
yequalsx wrote: post #62

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I would like it to be illegal for people to own guns. Those who violate the law (as the ban would be in the form of a law) would go to jail. Current owners would turn in their guns and those guns would be destroyed. The 2nd Amendment is oddly worded. It does speak of a well regulated militia. I'm not a lawyer or a legal expert but it seems to me that banning the ownership of guns except for members of the militia sho…

> It also seems to me that for those who tend toward original intent interpretations (majority of current Supreme Court) would agree that the founders only saw it fit that people be able to own guns with similar firepower and lethality as muskets. You'd be wrong there. The Supreme Court agrees that the founders saw fit that people are armed with weapons similar to those used by the military, with certain restrictions…

And those weapons at the time were....muskets, bayonets. They had no vision of the M-16, AK-47, etc. The statement of the 2nd Amendment begins with, "A well regulated militia..." So let's well regulate it.

According to Wikipedia:

In United States v. Cruikshank (1876), the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that, "The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence" and limited the scope of the Second Amendment's protections to the federal government.[11] In United States v. Miller (1939), the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment did not protect weapon types not having a "reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia".[12][13]

As I stated, I have no expertise in this matter. If it requires a repeal then that is what I would favor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United...

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by kadenshep »

krapp wrote: post #52
kadenshep wrote: post #46

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Let us know what kind of riveting discussions you have with racists, sexists, and conspiracy theorists.

Unfortunately, racists, sexists and conspiracy theorists appear to be the only people who still believe in freedom of speech, and are willing to fight to keep it. Even many of the "hackers" around here seem to support regulation and censorship.

No I'm pretty sure the majority of people support true and blue free speech.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by [deleted] »

MrMember wrote: post #22
Rebelgecko wrote: post #15

This is very dismaying to see I have used Youtube in the past for seeing how to install gun accessories, put guns together, how to fix malfunctions, etc. Watching those videos has made me a more knowledgeable, and hence more responsible gun owner. This is an especially large blow for people who are part of niche communities, like reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles. A lot of historical content will be lost. The n…

I've deleted both my YouTube and reddit accounts. I've been trying to de-Google my life, this will probably accelerate that. Just need a proper mobile Linux device and I can finally dump Android.

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Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by Zak »

Miner49er wrote: post #57
zombieprocesses wrote: post #45

Are the big social media companies working together to ban content? What are the odds that reddit and youtube ban similar content on the same day? What a sad day. Reddit used to be something so special. If only tech giants stood together and fought the corporate interests and NGOs pushing censorship on them. I've pretty much stopped using reddit because it's full of political nonsense now anyways. If they are going t…

This is probably all about advertising. Advertisers likely told these platforms to get rid of this stuff or they'll stop using their sites to advertise. It's possibly the same advertiser(s) on both sites asking for it. That could explain why it's happening on the same day.

reddit already had a policy to show ads only on whitelisted subreddits, so it would have taken something stronger than just "I don't want my ad shown next to X".

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by Zak »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #3

This is due to US Section 230 legislation changing this week, spurred by the actions and legal battles of backpage.com https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2018/03/21/59... "The Backpage saga has galvanized lawmakers to act on bills amending Section 230 with the goal of stemming online sex trafficking. The legislation allows more state and civil lawsuits against websites related to online sex trafficking, f…

This seems likely to be the explanation, but I'm very surprised reddit didn't mention it in their announcement. "The government is bullying us into this" would tend to garner sympathy from users instead of the hostility they're getting.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by zombieprocesses »

driverdan wrote: post #68

Mods: Why is this being deranked? This is a legitimate discussion.

ycombinator funded reddit. And ycombinator is part of the group at the forefront of the internet censorship movement.

> This is a legitimate discussion.

Since when did that matter. It's discussion they don't want, legitimate or not.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by kadenshep »

superkuh wrote: post #80
kadenshep wrote: post #46

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Let us know what kind of riveting discussions you have with racists, sexists, and conspiracy theorists.

You have to be the change you want to see. I have no problem with other people holding views which I think are disgusting. The only thing I have a problem with is censorship. H. L. Mencken quote is applicable here, "The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at…

I think we need more censorship quite frankly.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by CaptSpify »

collias wrote: post #77
CaptSpify wrote: post #49

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Apple pretends to care about privacy as long as it is good for the bottom line.

Could you explain what you mean? I’m genuinely curious if Apple has taken an anti-privacy stance. From what I can tell, they’re the best tech giant for user privacy. They’ve fought the FBI in court to not put in a government backdoor to unlocking user’s devices. Lawyers ain’t cheap.

We don't know what Apple does with their data. They might print it out and make paper airplanes with it. They might use it to test their backups. And yes, they even might sell it. Or, they may do nothing with it at all. We just don't know.

I'm not accusing them of misusing our data, but I do know that they have, in the past, chosen to do something that looks like they are disregarding their user's privacy in order to make a buck (https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-moving-icloud-encryption-key...).

And they can set up their systems in a way that ensures they aren't violating our privacy or trust, but they choose not to do that. That to me, is very suspicious.

I do agree that they seem like the best tech giant for user privacy, but that is a super low bar. Just because they are "the best", doesn't mean they are good at it.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by soneil »

CaptSpify wrote: post #49
collias wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not an iPhone? At least Apple seems to care about privacy, and they aren't an ad-tech company like Google or FB.

Apple pretends to care about privacy as long as it is good for the bottom line.

I still prefer that though.

It seems quite clear to me. No-one cares about users, they care about customers. Apple care about their customers. Google care about their customers. Facebook care about their customers.

I am an Apple customer. I am a Google user. I am a Facebook user. See the difference? So do they.

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