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On purpose to protect something "more valuable," or on accident?
There's an old saying around gun owners: "There's no such thing as a firearms accident. Only negligence." I think the same thing applies to autonomous things.
Obviously more information is needed, but I thought the entire point of having a driver behind the wheel is to manually intervene to prevent this very situation? I'm very curious to see how they'll investigate this and who will be determined to be at fault (person behind the wheel or Uber). It will likely set a precedent.
The only way this is a reasonable failure of both the computer and the human driver is if they both physically had no time to react. Maybe that was the case, maybe it wasn't.
Why is Uber allowed on public roads?
Ultimately they will blame humans, humans are the bugs in their code.
Uber's self-driving program seems to be one of the most unethical, most poorly-run in the entire industry. There were plenty of reports before warning us of the questionable quality of their research: cars changing lanes suddenly, blowing red lights, and now one finally killed someone. Every prior incident should have been treated as a serious matter. Waymo et al has had none of these issues. Time to revoke their lic…
IIRC, Uber initially launched its self driving cars by flouting California law: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/ub...
It tells a lot about Uber that they weren't willing to fork over $150 for a permit.
It's a sad reality, but regardless of how many times per day a pedestrian is hit by a human-driven car, such incidents involving self-driving cars will be headline news for years to come.
Having a hard time sympathizing here. It's one thing to fear air travel based on the very few but very publicized plane incidents (considering all the data we have on the safety of air travel). It's another thing to hold these self-driving car companies accountable, considering a) the lack of data and history of such programs, and b) their touted benefit as a safer alternative to human-driven cars.
The video mentions she was on a bike and shows a mangled bicycle. Also the line markings on the street indicate there is a bike lane to the left of a right turn lane. Definitely very bad. https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4369934,-111.9429875,3a,75y,...
Obviously more information is needed, but I thought the entire point of having a driver behind the wheel is to manually intervene to prevent this very situation? I'm very curious to see how they'll investigate this and who will be determined to be at fault (person behind the wheel or Uber). It will likely set a precedent.
Human beings simply cannot switch between "not focussed" and "in charge of a car, taken out of autonomous mode, and actively avoiding collision" fast enough to avoid most accidents, unfortunately. Neither can humans maintain the focus required to be ready to do that when 99.9% of the time they're not required to do anything. Semi-autonomous cars have drawbacks.
This is not how many people drive in non-autonomous cars? Commuting is on auto-pilot for many of us; you don't really remember how you got to work and I see people tying their shoelaces, calling, eating sandwiches, reading the paper, chatting on whatsapp all the time. Sure it's all illegal (in a lot of countries), but people are bored and drove that road 1000x.
Obviously more information is needed, but I thought the entire point of having a driver behind the wheel is to manually intervene to prevent this very situation? I'm very curious to see how they'll investigate this and who will be determined to be at fault (person behind the wheel or Uber). It will likely set a precedent.
" Obviously more information is needed, but I thought the entire point of having a driver behind the wheel is to manually intervene to prevent this very situation?" I think it's time to point out the obvious, and require that autonomous cars apply the brakes first, and THEN require driver intervention. And that they be a whole lot quicker to err on the side of braking. Cameras getting fuzzy ? Slow down. Your ML algor…
The people leading the development should demonstrate that they can stop for pedestrians by personally jumping out in front of them on a closed test road. If they're not able to demonstrate this, they shouldn't be putting them on public roads.