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California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by danaliv »

tachyoff wrote: post #48
Casseres wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Texan here. We welcome y'all with open arms, just please don't turn Texas into the places that you left.

That depends on how you figure. Do you mean socially? Legally? Business-wise? There are a lot of complex forces at play to make Silicon Valley the way it is (including history). I don’t think it’s fair to tell any group not to “make” some city like their previous one. Furthermore, one nice thing about the American melting pot is everyone gets a voice. If enough people move to Texas and change its culture, that’s just…

> If enough people move to Texas and change its culture, that’s just something you have to deal with (or move, I suppose)

We have learned nothing.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by davidw »

IronWolve wrote: post #49
Casseres wrote: post #14

Native Texan here. I and many other Texans I know welcome newcomers with open arms. We all just have one message though: Please do not turn Texas into the places y'all are leaving. There's a reason y'all are leaving after all. EDIT: Newcomers: We generally don't care what anyone does or thinks, we only care when people try to force us to conform to their beliefs, including what to do with our money, eg) raising taxes…

On the east side of Washington in Spokane, the houses are going up due to the influx of Californians. Average price was around 120k, now you can see houses in the 300k for entry level with basic kitchens. Also, lots of modern brew pubs are popping up that easily charge Seattle prices for food and beer. (Way too expensive for locals) Had a co-worker who's family moved up from California and bought a 600k house on 10 a…

Bend, Oregon has been that way for a while.

Who wants to do a startup that finds and invests in the 'next places'? Some days I'm hopeful we can fix things, and others I think maybe we should just try and sell people on the 'new hotness' and make a buck from it.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by staunch »

djschnei wrote: post #68
staunch wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how this works. You're not a "native Texan" but one of millions of American citizens born in the state of Texas. Texas is no more yours than any other citizen's. There are no second class citizens in the US. If you move to New York, you become a New Yorker. If you move to Texas, you become a Texan. Just like your parents or grandparents did. This is one reason America society is great. You have no right to…

They were talking about fiscal policy. I.e "don't leave California, then push for the same policies here". But of course, you already knew that.

No, it was not at all clear and still isn't, even after the comment has been edited.

If Californians want to move to Texas and bring their fiscal ideas with them, tough luck!

You get to decide where and how you live. I get to decide where and how I live. This is freedom.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by dragonwriter »

pascalxus wrote: post #13

The middle class can no longer afford to remain in CA. A combination of egregious housing policies and other anti-bussines/anti-people regulations stifle the economic well being of it's inhabitants. It's sad to see people having to leave behind their friends and families, for all this. Not only are people leaving, but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression: http://www.lat…

> The middle class can no longer afford to remain in CA

It seems like the immigration is mostly the middle and upper middle class, as those terms are most often used [0]. The out-migration looks to be mostly below national median income.

[0] which, sure, is the upper income end of the working class and not the petit bourgeoisie, for the most part, but aside from me, no one seems to use “middle class” to mean that in the US.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by all_blue_chucks »

California is also losing residents by discouraging migration via high taxes. For example, I had two job offers: one in California and one in Washington. Since this was a $200k+ job, that income tax in CA would have cost me $40 grand per year. Suffice it to say I now live in Washington.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by coupdetaco »

phyzome wrote: post #59
randyrand wrote: post #9

Democratic states moving into California and Californians mostly leaving for conservative states. Interesting. There are multiple ways to interpret though.

Don't forget that a lot of those conservative states are large, and liberal states small. The data is not normalized.

If more dense places are more liberal, wouldn't normalizing for population density remove that insight from the reporting?

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by JustAnotherPat »

pascalxus wrote: post #13

The middle class can no longer afford to remain in CA. A combination of egregious housing policies and other anti-bussines/anti-people regulations stifle the economic well being of it's inhabitants. It's sad to see people having to leave behind their friends and families, for all this. Not only are people leaving, but the birth rate for millineials in CA hasn't been this low since the great depression: http://www.lat…

> The middle class can no longer afford to remain in CA. A combination of egregious housing policies and other anti-bussines/anti-people regulations

To me this doesn't make sense. Middle class can't survive in CA because too many people get paid middle class and up in CA. Is it 'anti-people' to pay teachers 70+k? Or is a state like WV more 'pro-people' where teachers are going on strike because they get no raises. There are a lot of wealthy businesses in CA. You have to be richer than in other places to actually feel rich.

truth is, the problem is too much competition and there always has to be somebody at the bottom. Look at the inflow of people. People with high incomes and advanced degrees.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by air_ml »

sk5t wrote: post #53
cycrutchfield wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want 2% property taxes at San Diego property values? Without Prop 13?

Is there a place where owners of $1MM properties expect to pay less than $20K in property tax?

San Diego? If you bought you house 20 years ago and it is worth $1M now, you probably pay $2k to $3k in taxes.

Re: California Losing Residents via Domestic Migration

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Post by tachyoff »

danaliv wrote: post #81
tachyoff wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That depends on how you figure. Do you mean socially? Legally? Business-wise? There are a lot of complex forces at play to make Silicon Valley the way it is (including history). I don’t think it’s fair to tell any group not to “make” some city like their previous one. Furthermore, one nice thing about the American melting pot is everyone gets a voice. If enough people move to Texas and change its culture, that’s just…

> If enough people move to Texas and change its culture, that’s just something you have to deal with (or move, I suppose) We have learned nothing.

It’s unfair and unrealistic to expect everyone to assimilate, if for no other reason than people bring the entirety of their experiences with them wherever they go. There will always a bit of a Californian in transplants to Texas, just like there will always be a bit of a Texan in transplants to Pennsylvania or Florida or Germany or wherever. I think this adds to the richness of life, but I suppose not everyone feels that way.
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