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Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

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Garmin beat them to the 360. My biggest complaint is that GoPro mounts are cheap and there isn't a high quality gimbal for the GoPro.

Define high quality? The Smoove is great for example.

I'm looking for a gimbal I can use while running.

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

#82

GoPro could turn themselves around if they supported their customer community by opening up their hardware interfaces more and allowed more robust fine-grain control over aperature, shutter, iso, white balance via usb and wifi/Bluetooth with API support so we developers can create sale-generating software that makes their fantastic hardware more useful. It won't hurt them to open these controls up. Also make streamin…

> GoPro could turn themselves around if they supported their customer community by opening up their hardware interfaces more

Is it theirs to open up though? When I last looked at it, it seemed as if most of their tech was Ambarella SoCs. Doing a quick search now, it seems they went with Socionext for Hero 6.

Even if they could open it up, it would be a non-trivial cost to support. Multiple products, probably multiple breaking API changes between firmware releases, ... It would probably have to be on a partnering program basis, and for that you need partners willing to share the costs.

As for lowering the price... The market is becoming saturated, competition increased and cheaper alternatives have been popping up. Lowering COGS is hard. GoPro grew up and cornered the market for a while. In doing so, they grew in the environment they were in, but the environment changed and now they have to adopt to the new conditions. That's easier said than done.

I'd say they'd have to broaden their product portfolio in order to avoid/get out of stagnation and decline. I think that was their thought when going into the drone market, but it didn't go well from what I understand. There's other markets for products built around optical sensors (surveillance/security, "smart" sensors w/ computer vision, ...).

Supporting an open developer program is probably not a viable thing for them to do right now.

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

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Can you show me a Chinese company that is making an action camera that can shoot 2K60 that is waterproof and small form factor like GoPro?

The Yi 4K+ action cam ... https://store.yitechnology.com/

I bought a Chinese 1080p action cam for $30 about 3 years ago... is there some kind of competition issue in this market? (and it came with the waterproof case and various mounts)

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

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Hue lights do not require a cloud service. It is an optional way to control your lights from outside your local network (only the base station talks to the internet).

> only the base station talks to the internet Exactly any part talking to the internet is a deal breaker. Why would I need my home to have that amount of attack vectors open?

In your self-righteous rush, you neglected to consider whether or not the base station would function without being able to talk to the web.

It does so.

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

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Now I'm confused,I thought the hue lights and Ikea knockoffs are one of the few smart lights that don't need internet and they never leave the wlan? Most of the others are cloud enabled without a firmware upgrade, I'll give you that

I agree. And I have the hue lights. I can't remember having to sign in to any online account to use it.

You definitely do not need a user account to use your hue lights.

IIRC, they create an ad hoc mesh network and don’t actually need WAN to operate.

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

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GoPro could turn themselves around if they supported their customer community by opening up their hardware interfaces more and allowed more robust fine-grain control over aperature, shutter, iso, white balance via usb and wifi/Bluetooth with API support so we developers can create sale-generating software that makes their fantastic hardware more useful. It won't hurt them to open these controls up. Also make streamin…

> All of this would open up their market to tinkering enthusiasts as well without making things more complex for their existing market. How much in sales will the tinkering enthusiasts generate?

I think the "tinkering community" would include almost all active YouTube channels if they added all of the api features I mentioned. This is not a small community. The tinkerers would write the software which would inspire more new users to buy.

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

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GoPro could turn themselves around if they supported their customer community by opening up their hardware interfaces more and allowed more robust fine-grain control over aperature, shutter, iso, white balance via usb and wifi/Bluetooth with API support so we developers can create sale-generating software that makes their fantastic hardware more useful. It won't hurt them to open these controls up. Also make streamin…

> GoPro could turn themselves around if they supported their customer community by opening up their hardware interfaces more Is it theirs to open up though? When I last looked at it, it seemed as if most of their tech was Ambarella SoCs. Doing a quick search now, it seems they went with Socionext for Hero 6. Even if they could open it up, it would be a non-trivial cost to support. Multiple products, probably multiple…

They could use the API themselves which would avoid them making api breaking changes. They should save money by outsourcing much software dev to the open source community. I think they should use stripe API and documentation as a fantastic example.

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

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GoPro could turn themselves around if they supported their customer community by opening up their hardware interfaces more and allowed more robust fine-grain control over aperature, shutter, iso, white balance via usb and wifi/Bluetooth with API support so we developers can create sale-generating software that makes their fantastic hardware more useful. It won't hurt them to open these controls up. Also make streamin…

> GoPro could turn themselves around if they supported their customer community by opening up their hardware interfaces more Is it theirs to open up though? When I last looked at it, it seemed as if most of their tech was Ambarella SoCs. Doing a quick search now, it seems they went with Socionext for Hero 6. Even if they could open it up, it would be a non-trivial cost to support. Multiple products, probably multiple…

> The market is becoming saturated, competition increased and cheaper alternatives have been popping up.

And Nick Woodman 'a sleep at the switch'. I remember what I thought when I saw he was a guest judge on Shark Tank investing in (trying to) and giving advice to young entrepreneurs going for the brass ring.

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

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To get the best deal out of any of the knockoffs and competitors, though, you have to get a little bit knowledgeable about the camera tech. The SJ5000 is a large step up over the SJ4000 because it uses a 16MP Panasonic MN34110PA sensor rather than the SJ4000's 3.5MP Aptina AR0330 (which they upscale to call a "12MP sensor"). And that's just what a $25 bump gets you! This isn't something you're just gonna know, though…

Not too sure about the Panasonic, but the AR0330 is an ancient sensor, being about 6-7 years old now. Not the type of image sensor I'd be wanting to buy these days.

I agree. But the SJ4000 is $99 and the SJ5000 is $125 on Amazon, and that's a pretty big step for $25.

Re: GoPro has discontinued its developer program

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Exactly, a hundred Chinese companies can pump out cameras like theirs. What they had going for them was their genericized trademark of a name - people calling all action cameras GoPros - which eventually would have or did come back and bite them. Their stock price is less than a tenth what it once was.

People are buying Chinese action cameras in such droves? Everyone I know with an action camera owns a GoPro. Something seems amiss to me, though perhaps things are different in California. But then why just these cameras? There are plenty of types of devices that have viable Chinese knockoffs for cheap, yet the non-Chinese brands thrive or at least sustain.

The only reason I own a 4 is because it was bought for me. Otherwise, the price point was high enough, and my old 2 was "good enough", that I just didn't see the point to upgrading that often. It's not going to compete with my phone upgrades. And I suspect repeat customers would have to be a significant portion of their business sustainability.

I imagine now or sometime last year would have been about when I naturally would have upgraded, and I suspect if I had seen a ton of reviews favoring cheaper models from competitors, I probably would have jumped ship.

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