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Ok so you out and out admit an offence under the espionage act - you've just fucked every employee out side of Russia over. Receiving the goods in this case is just as much an ofence as stealing.
I am also inclined to believe Kaspersky is in the wrong here, especially given the publicizing of personal data from a customer's computer for PR purposes, but I am having trouble understanding how the Espionage Act applies?
So an NSA contractor or employee takes confidential/highly sensitive code and documents home and leaves it on their machine. They then install a pirated version of Office, after disabling their antivirus software which is telling them it is infected with a virus and preventing the installation. Seems like massive incompetence from this user rather than Kaspersky doing anything malicious, and those files where destine…
I don't think it even needs a narrative about Kaspersky. You could expect that they're infiltrated in some way (worker, infrastructure, hosting, ...) and leak information to FSB. I'm exactly the same way Symantec could leak information to NSA. Without the evil qualifier and narrative for the reasons, both are likely to happen to some extent.
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>Wasn't Benghazi investigated to death by the right for an absurdly long time? Why do you think nothing was found? Didn't all the people except Hillary (who lied to the committee) take the 5th? Do you think that might be a reason?
> Didn't all the people except Hillary (who lied to the committee) take the 5th? No. It's pretty simple: > Benghazi investigated for years > Longest congressional investigation in history > Multiple reports find nothing > Hillary is guilty she escaped justice!! Investigate Benghazi!! And at the same time: > Russian collusion investigated for 10 months > No published reports, investigation not concluded > several indi…
Several felony indictments at that with some very serious charges filed.
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> "In Russia, there are no wealthy or powerful people pursuing anything but Putin's agenda. All those who tried have been removed, via various methods ranging from banal to horrifying." Where the hell do people come up with this? It's not only untrue, it's not even feasible.
It is absolutely feasible. Much of Russia's wealth is generated by a handful of large state owned businesses, predominantly the oil sector. And all these positions are staffed with individuals who have intimate contact to Putin himself. Ranging from the husband of his daughter (Kirill Shamalov) who within months after the marriage took over Sibur, one of the largest petro businesses in the country, to old KGB aides o…
What about the minor detail that the oligarchs existed not only before Putin, but before Yeltsin, his predecessor, as well (not that they didn't grow under Yeltsin, but still)?
Most documentation that even passes a smell test of being reasonably plausible also suggests that the relationship was inverted - the oligarchs had more influence over Yeltsin than he did over them. When Putin took power, he was known for getting rid of many of them. The interesting thing about that, is that can be interpreted charitably or uncharitably - reducing the level of corruption and oligarch abuse of the government would be a positive thing, but banishing those who don't get in line (where we are assuming "getting in line" means they are being asked to do bad things, not follow laws) seems to be the default assumption in Russia's case. As far as I've seen, there's really never been anything to substantiate the uncharitable narrative, but so many people who have never been to Russia or spoken to a Russian person have themselves thoroughly convinced that they understand these secret "arrangements".
The whole idea that he could be a mafia boss and the CEO of literally everything is just crazy thinking, yet many of us westerners seem to just eat it up, and anything shady that happens even close to the government is always personally attributed to Putin's orders. It'd be like calling Trump a mafia boss because some random cop took a bribe in some city in the mid west. The idea is laughable, and the fact that we got here warrants a little bit of self-reflection on our part.
I have to ask: Is there any concrete evidence against Kaspersky doing anything remotely concerning since this whole charade against them started in 2015 or is it still "they're Russian, so they must be doing something bad" scenario? EDIT: Fuck if I understand why people like JohnStrange, revelation and ryanlol are downvoted in their replies to this comment. They're on topic.
The Hacker News community largely gets its non-hacker news from CNN, the NYT, HuffPo, etc. As mainstream US media parrots whatever the FVEY IC tells them to, it's not surprising that most HN voters end up uncritically believing the Russia-Is-Evil narrative from the same IC that conducted MKULTRA and sold us a war predicated on the lie that Saddam was loaded up with WMDs.
Downvoting any and all dissent from CIA psyops is the natural consequence of this. Because, patriotism, or something.
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It is absolutely feasible. Much of Russia's wealth is generated by a handful of large state owned businesses, predominantly the oil sector. And all these positions are staffed with individuals who have intimate contact to Putin himself. Ranging from the husband of his daughter (Kirill Shamalov) who within months after the marriage took over Sibur, one of the largest petro businesses in the country, to old KGB aides o…
For starters, do you not see the huge logical leap going from naming a couple of executives who are close with Putin, to saying that ALL people in Russia with money or power are doing nothing but following Putin's agenda? What about the minor detail that the oligarchs existed not only before Putin, but before Yeltsin, his predecessor, as well (not that they didn't grow under Yeltsin, but still)? Most documentation th…
Nobody is doubting that. The country wasn't liberal or less oligarchic under Yeltsin, it was just as oligarchic under Soviet rule. Russia never meaningfully deviated from this course.
And this doesn't just come from a 'westerner far removed from Russia'. I have family in the country and lived there and I have experienced the degree of corruption not just under Putin but his predecessors personally.
Kasperky's story here seems completely believable. Yet the US government's warnings also seem reasonable even given just the facts everyone agrees on. I guess the larger lesson may be how Russia's failure to establish rule of law makes it impossible to run a business that depends on trust. The US should take note: if they succeed in breaking Apple et al's attempts to protect their users, pretty soon the only countrie…
It's interesting to analyze your comment for a minute. Consider that PRISM was revealed in 2013. It is a far reaching surveillance program carried out by the NSA with the assistance of numerous major tech players, including Apple. [1] It's unveiling was certainly an embarassment both for the companies involved as well as the NSA. And here we are in 2017, just 4 years later, with you stating that users can "trust" com…
In Apple's case, this would be any iCloud data which they can access and is not encrypted (such as contacts or calendar entries). However, the OP was referring to something completely different: Government attempts to force Apple to weaken data-at-rest encryption on everyone's devices.
It is fine if you believe that sealed/secret warrants are problematic, but it seems strange to equate that with the weakening of security for all.
Ok so you out and out admit an offence under the espionage act - you've just fucked every employee out side of Russia over. Receiving the goods in this case is just as much an ofence as stealing.
Can you explain this any further? I am also inclined to believe Kaspersky is in the wrong here, especially given the publicizing of personal data from a customer's computer for PR purposes, but I am having trouble understanding how the Espionage Act applies?
https://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/news-media-l...
I have to ask: Is there any concrete evidence against Kaspersky doing anything remotely concerning since this whole charade against them started in 2015 or is it still "they're Russian, so they must be doing something bad" scenario? EDIT: Fuck if I understand why people like JohnStrange, revelation and ryanlol are downvoted in their replies to this comment. They're on topic.
> Fuck if I understand why people like JohnStrange, revelation and ryanlol are downvoted The Hacker News community largely gets its non-hacker news from CNN, the NYT, HuffPo, etc. As mainstream US media parrots whatever the FVEY IC tells them to, it's not surprising that most HN voters end up uncritically believing the Russia-Is-Evil narrative from the same IC that conducted MKULTRA and sold us a war predicated on th…
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> You can say the same about every country No, you can't, except in some abstract sense that loses all meaning. In the west, it's routine to find wealthy and powerful members of the establishment pursue goals and policies that are directly opposed to the government with both success and failure. And of course these governments change hands relatively commonly. In Russia, there are no wealthy or powerful people pursui…
Amazing that people don't see this still. Kaspersky insists that his company has an exception, and it "doesn't work like that", but it's hard to believe. And if you're part of the US IC, it'd be malpractice to believe him.