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Bitcoin is fiat money, too

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Re: Bitcoin is fiat money, too

#81
post #15

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You must live in: Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire or Oregon. (Or be oblivious) States where the sale of a cup of coffee doesn't involve a tax.

When you grow up and have kids (ie you aren’t 11 anymore) you may appreciate things like schools, safe roads, etc... that come with those sales tax dollars instead of viewing it as totalitarian expropriation.

Ah, the muh roads, argument.

Re: Bitcoin is fiat money, too

#82

Interestingly the economist misses the traditional definition of Fiat: a currency whose value is determined by the Fiat of a state. Whether or not Bitcoin exhibits similar trends as currency that isn't backed by the state is immaterial to the ethical appeal (to some) of a medium of exchange where participation is voluntary and consensual.

Is Bitcoin actually a medium of exchange? It seems to be functioning more as an investment to be hoarded rather than spent.

I use it almost everyday to buy stuff. Today I bought a Sonos speaker, some baby food and a chair. Also I hoard it.

Why did you think that?

Re: Bitcoin is fiat money, too

#83
post #58
post #11

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The price doesn’t define the success of bitcoin.

It's worse. Continuous deflation (increasing real value) is a very undesirable characteristic for a currency as it dis-incentivizes the actual use of said currency. Why spend money on anything not absolutely essential if the money itself will appreciate in value more than any investment you can make with it, and with no risk? It might be okay for domain specific uses but for general purpose currency use it's awful. I…

People are bidding to be included in the Bitcoin economy of the future. Whether such a future exists is the speculative part.

Re: Bitcoin is fiat money, too

#84
"Bankers talk about “governance”, ways to ensure private banks and central bankers make sound decisions—so they create just enough money make commerce easier, but not so much that the system collapses through inflation or panics."

Many people don't know that central bankers literally, not figuratively, mean CREATE money out of nothing.

Re: Bitcoin is fiat money, too

#86
Bitcoin is a commodity for efficient bartering that has a governance structure to ensure that the commodity doesn't flood the market and crash prices.

It will become a currency when it can be directly used to satisfy a tax debt, to avoid the punitive threat of the law.

Re: Bitcoin is fiat money, too

#87
post #24

Fiat money with better programming apis and permissions

Bitcoin has no flexibility as a currency. It cannot be manipulated to stimulate or slow an economy. The growth rate of bitcoin is so slow that it ensures that the population growth will probably always outstrip bitcoin growth, severely lowering the number of bitcoins available per capita, leading to permanent rentiers of the money supply. Also, as lost bitcoin are not replaced, the supply dwindles further. At some point the pace of losing bitcoins will out strip the rate of bitcoin creation.

This is not a how a society's currency should work.

Re: Bitcoin is fiat money, too

#88
post #72

How does Bitcoin work offline? Let's say the world goes to hell (assume internet has been taken offline) and we need to trade using a form of trusted currency. Just curious...

How does Dollar work offline? How much do you have in your pants? Because if the world goes offline, Banks would not have all the "money" necessary to give it back to people.

That is to say; not well. But considerably better than Bitcoin.

Re: Bitcoin is fiat money, too

#89
post #57

Interestingly the economist misses the traditional definition of Fiat: a currency whose value is determined by the Fiat of a state. Whether or not Bitcoin exhibits similar trends as currency that isn't backed by the state is immaterial to the ethical appeal (to some) of a medium of exchange where participation is voluntary and consensual.

"Code is governance" -- the article does support the idea of cryptocurrency as fiat money because the laws, in this case, are the code. The developers and miners, no matter their good intentions, do hold power over the currency that everyday investors do not have. No matter how egalitarian the distributed ledger set up looks on paper, we'd be remiss to think the power structures behind cryptocurrencies are so radical…

This is a big misunderstanding of bitcoin, and if you believe it I can understand why you might think bitcoin is not special.

The truth is that the everyday user gets full control over the law of their currency simply by running a full node. Your node will reject any transactions that do not comply with the rules of your node.

The soveirgnty of bitcoin comes from knowing that the devs can't force an update upon you or the network, if you do not consent you can always reject the change.

Re: Bitcoin is fiat money, too

#90
post #12
post #6

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Sure it doesn't. Except you can use it to transfer value without first consulting your potentially totalitarian government without much effort for the first time in the entire history.

ROFL, "the first time in the entire history". Gold would like to have a word with you... And seashells. And giant stone coins. And on and on and on. In fact, as far as history goes, government backed fiat currency is a very recent invention.

You forgot about effort and risk.
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