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Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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That begs the question, which is "why is the level of confrontation increasing now, as opposed to 4 years ago?"

It does not, begging the question means something else entirely... this raises the question.

There were three off-topic subthreads based on this just yesterday. Let's not replay them, shall we?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15231901

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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It does not, begging the question means something else entirely... this raises the question.

There were three off-topic subthreads based on this just yesterday. Let's not replay them, shall we? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15231901

No need for a discussion or link to one, thanks.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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There were three off-topic subthreads based on this just yesterday. Let's not replay them, shall we? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15231901

No need for a discussion or link to one, thanks.

Okay. In that case I question what motivated your initial comment correcting your parent? I agree that it's not worth discussing further, so I'll sign off after this comment.

People who take the time to correct others (particularly when it's off-topic) are generally motivated by the desire to genuinely help the discussion or by mean-spirited nitpicking. If the former, they're also interested in learning about how discussions tend to behave on the forum in which they're participating, which is why I chimed it. If I assumed the latter, I would refrain from commenting at all.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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The level of confrontation and its trend is what's new.

That begs the question, which is "why is the level of confrontation increasing now, as opposed to 4 years ago?"

Because of everything that has been in the news since before the election. Tensions are higher between the US and Russia, both sides having ejected diplomats. It's very different than it was 4 years ago.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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No need for a discussion or link to one, thanks.

Okay. In that case I question what motivated your initial comment correcting your parent? I agree that it's not worth discussing further, so I'll sign off after this comment. People who take the time to correct others (particularly when it's off-topic) are generally motivated by the desire to genuinely help the discussion or by mean-spirited nitpicking. If the former, they're also interested in learning about how dis…

Okay. In that case I question what motivated your initial comment correcting your parent?

Correcting a commonly abused saying, and thereby slightly reducing the volume of bullshit if only imperceptibly. I have to wonder why you seem so interested in commenting mostly on the comments of others.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Is Nginx next? I suppose that it's open source nature mitigates the risks of an important software infrastructure piece being developed in a country that might not always be friendly to us.

It's entirely possible. I know of a certain open-source application that was banned from an entire component of DHS, specifically because the developer is Russian.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Okay. In that case I question what motivated your initial comment correcting your parent? I agree that it's not worth discussing further, so I'll sign off after this comment. People who take the time to correct others (particularly when it's off-topic) are generally motivated by the desire to genuinely help the discussion or by mean-spirited nitpicking. If the former, they're also interested in learning about how dis…

Okay. In that case I question what motivated your initial comment correcting your parent? Correcting a commonly abused saying, and thereby slightly reducing the volume of bullshit if only imperceptibly. I have to wonder why you seem so interested in commenting mostly on the comments of others.

Damn! (Just when I thought I was out….) Honest question deserves an honest answer. Very similar motivation. I'm very interested in figuring out how to promote productive, constructive discussions in general and online in particular. The deep polarization that seems to have increased and been exacerbated by the internet is an issue that I think desperately needs to be solved. HN is a community that values constructive conversation and at the same time struggles with it. If I can help make that better, I want to do so. I think a lot of people actually share that same goal, at least implicitly, and aren't always aware of the dynamics of online forums in general or on HN in particular.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Okay. In that case I question what motivated your initial comment correcting your parent? I agree that it's not worth discussing further, so I'll sign off after this comment. People who take the time to correct others (particularly when it's off-topic) are generally motivated by the desire to genuinely help the discussion or by mean-spirited nitpicking. If the former, they're also interested in learning about how dis…

Okay. In that case I question what motivated your initial comment correcting your parent? Correcting a commonly abused saying, and thereby slightly reducing the volume of bullshit if only imperceptibly. I have to wonder why you seem so interested in commenting mostly on the comments of others.

Sometimes these things are peeves. I have a peeve about using "they" as a gender-neutral singular pronoun, but admit it doesn't have much effect on expressiveness.

In general, though, I feel that the more precisely we use language, the more expressive it can be. Begging the question is different from raising the question. If we allow that conflation, it then becomes more difficult or requires more words to express what "begging the question" really is.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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If we don't speculate at all, we're left with the following bullet points from news articles this year: - Michael Flynn was paid by Kaspersky to speak at its seminar (probably nothing, but mildly interesting) - US Intel community considers Kaspersky to be an arm of the Russian government - Kaspersky employee arrested in sting by Russian government for treason - US Intel officials believe Kaspersky employees in US eng…

I think it's a very interesting timeline you've laid out. The piece I don't follow is the conclusion. > Take all of that, and ask yourself this. Would the US govt, which already had suspicion to remove them, and had been getting the ball rolling since at least May or before then, ask them to spy on behalf of the US in Russia, and if they balk, remove their funding and damage their reputation? To me that's real reason…

> I can't think of any circumstance where US intelligence would both simultaneously believe they are a branch of the Russian govt and ask them to spy in Russia on their behalf.

Turning a spy is espionage 101, chapter 1.

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