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DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Makes sense. I understand their concerns. Would also makes sense to ban Microsoft at least in the EU for anything government or military related and only used a custom tailored Linux. EULinuxs instead of Red Linux :-)

Not the same. Most EU countries are allied with the US. Most of them hold negative or downright hostile views towards Russia.

1. This can change easily and actually has changed already with Trump not renewing the NATO wow.

2. Why take any risk that you can avoid?

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no need to have smoking gun. If confrontation between countries go too far, this is a potential attack vector. It can be used even without any cooperation from Kaspersky, is necessary. And, if used wisely, even without attribution (this requires cooperation though). This risk is enough to justify this move.

If that's true now, it was true 4 years ago too. The McCain/Rubio claims are what's new.

So its even more important for public to see the evidence. Otherwise it feels like private vendetta most likely because Kaspersky is Russian (you know, our current Administration doesn't like Russians much) who actually build his empire on fighting Russian Government-funded cyberspying (claims Wikipedia).

I'm sure if Kaspersky sells tons of software on US soil, and most likely pay taxes on US soil, then they will sue and have a solid case against the US Government on discriminatory basis; unless of course said smoking gun will be made public. Otherwise it feels guilty until proven innocent (if given chance). Welcome to Russia, err. I mean: America.

Edit: if this falls thru, we have a very dangerous precedence; until now, politicians were taking money and lobbying for/against certain rules to help certain businesses to gain competitive edge. Now we have 2 Senators who happen to have "smoking gun" from "anonymous sources" (I presume) that could pretty much shut the whole company down. Whether Russian or American, irrelevant.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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>> The Department is concerned about the ties between certain Kaspersky officials and Russian intelligence and other government agencies, and requirements under Russian law that allow Russian intelligence agencies to request or compel assistance from Kaspersky and to intercept communications transiting Russian networks.

In 2017 in tech we're progressing towards a fragmented future where governments don't trust each other and big tech companies hold strong intelligence power in people's lives.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Makes sense. I understand their concerns. Would also makes sense to ban Microsoft at least in the EU for anything government or military related and only used a custom tailored Linux. EULinuxs instead of Red Linux :-)

Not the same. Most EU countries are allied with the US. Most of them hold negative or downright hostile views towards Russia.

I am unsure what exactly makes a country an "ally" of America (aside of diplomatic relations), but the US IC do have history of industrial espionage against the EU and other trading partners: https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use...

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's true now, it was true 4 years ago too. The McCain/Rubio claims are what's new.

So its even more important for public to see the evidence. Otherwise it feels like private vendetta most likely because Kaspersky is Russian (you know, our current Administration doesn't like Russians much) who actually build his empire on fighting Russian Government-funded cyberspying (claims Wikipedia). I'm sure if Kaspersky sells tons of software on US soil, and most likely pay taxes on US soil, then they will sue…

You're unlikely to see the evidence in this case.

Could you be clearer about exactly which "discrimination" code or statute the USG would be violating, even if they were doing this capriciously?

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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This is very bad for Kaspersky. Put aside how much revenue the entire GSA market represents for a security company (it'll be a double-digit percentage for a typical company). The bigger problem is that in the wake of this, every systemically important financial firm will also eject Kaspersky. In addition to being another significant chunk of revenue, major financial firms set the buying direction for IT security for…

> smoking gun evidence that some kind of line was crossed

I'm amused every second of my life that seemingly all of the US' "opponents" keep using US software which also mainly remains closed-source, while everybody knows that lines are constantly being crossed. It's both funny and mind-blowing.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's true now, it was true 4 years ago too. The McCain/Rubio claims are what's new.

So its even more important for public to see the evidence. Otherwise it feels like private vendetta most likely because Kaspersky is Russian (you know, our current Administration doesn't like Russians much) who actually build his empire on fighting Russian Government-funded cyberspying (claims Wikipedia). I'm sure if Kaspersky sells tons of software on US soil, and most likely pay taxes on US soil, then they will sue…

More likely that not, the sources and methods behind the evidence are classified. See all the Russians that started dying under mysterious circumstances or got arrested, nominally for treason, after the US election.

Re: DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government

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This is very bad for Kaspersky. Put aside how much revenue the entire GSA market represents for a security company (it'll be a double-digit percentage for a typical company). The bigger problem is that in the wake of this, every systemically important financial firm will also eject Kaspersky. In addition to being another significant chunk of revenue, major financial firms set the buying direction for IT security for…

If I have to guess I would say that some intelligence agency is monitoring software updates from Kaspersky and they found something unusual, but probably their evidence is circumstantial so they can't go public with it. I don't know how's their update model, but for instance they could skip or delay updates for ongoing operations for specific targets (and this could actually be done even without the consent of Kaspersky). Of course they also can deploy rootkits, but then there is no way to deny wrongdoing...
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