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Ask HN: What's your spectacular burnout story?

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Re: Ask HN: What's your spectacular burnout story?

#81
I've had a few burnouts in my life.

The worst one... I was producing music and sound with a friend for a prime time TV show. We were supposed to start working on the music in February to air the show in October.

The project suffered from many production problems. The executive producer was the son of a billionaire who owns one of the biggest TV networks in Latin America and had never done this before. One of the directors was a junkie and a drunk. Money ran out. Actors were not showing up to the stage. It got ugly.

Eventually we started working on the music and FX in September, weeks before airing. We were 2 guys in charge of producing episodes of 45 minutes. Music, FX, dialog cutting, etc, at the rate of 2 episodes per week. I slept less than 20 hours per week and drank 5+ red bulls every day. I don't know how I didn't end up in a hospital.

Even worse, the mastering engineer destroyed our already bad job. We didn't know about that because we never had time to watch the show on TV and listen to the final audio that was being aired.

This went on for about 2 months until someone figured out the show was crap and they started cutting heads. We were fired, and they never payed us about 50% of the work.

I thought making music for an important TV show would be the best thing in my life, but it killed my musical soul.

Re: Ask HN: What's your spectacular burnout story?

#82
I had spent the day up in Omak, WA trying to install a new router at one of our offices. Omak is nowhere -- about an hours drive from the Canadian border in central Washington. Both the fiber company and the ISP had screwed up, and I ended up drinking my lunch at a bar. I was really pissed off because I knew there was no way they'd fix it any time soon, and I'd have to spend hours driving back up to that god-forsaken town sometime next week. On my way back, I started contemplating a career change, as one often does after a particularly frustrating day, when I saw a hitchhiker on the side of the highway.

I've picked up every hitchhiker I could since 2008, during the housing market crash. That was the year I saw a very clean looking man with a dog hitchhiking out of town. Being young and dumb, I picked him up. He was a construction worker, and told me the story of how he'd lost everything during the crash. He'd just sold his truck and was trying to make it to Spokane, where he'd heard there was still some commercial work going on. It took him two days to hitchhike from Seattle to Yakima; that's normally a two hour drive. That hit home. My entire extended family had lost their construction business during the crash. I've been picking people up ever since.

So I pulled over on the side of the highway just outside of Omak and offered a ride.

We start with some small talk. He's looking for work picking fruit and was striking out in Omak, so he figured he'd move along further south. I tell him I'm headed through Wenatchee, which about that time was ramping up for the cherry season. He'd never heard of Wenatchee, but it sounds agreeable to him. I thought that a little odd, but then he starts asking me what I was doing up in Omak.

I tell him about the router I was trying to install. He asks what brand it is (Cisco). He starts asking more questions about what was wrong. We're about 10 minutes in to troubleshooting the problem verbally when I realize he knows way more about networking than I do. Finally I point blank ask him why the hell he's picking fruit.

Turns out he had been working in LA as a Linux admin. He was also working on a side project, basically Pinterest for outfits, when his girlfriend took exception to the time he was spending on the project. He didn't go in to great detail, but it became pretty clear to me he had seriously, dramatically, burnt out, and the girlfriend was just a trigger.

He decided to forget everything and take a bus north to do some manual work for a while. He was still sending money back to her to make the car payments. This guy had abandoned everything, traveled to the middle of nowhere, slept in bushes, and done manual labor in the sun all because he was sick of life as he'd been living it.

I tried offering him a laptop. He wouldn't take it. He didn't want it. Said what he needed was a bicycle. As we crested a hill in to the Wenatchee valley, he became quite excited about the size of the town and the number of orchards he could see in the distance. I dropped him off soon after. I'm pretty sure I saw him riding a bicycle in downtown Wenatchee some time later.

This event still fucks with me years later. It could just as easily become my story, or your story. Mental health is fragile. Take burnout seriously.

Re: Ask HN: What's your spectacular burnout story?

#83
post #62

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$3 million, no. Ridiculous in my mind at the time, yes. Also - first real development project from start to finish. Not sure you can put a monetary value on seeing your work actually being used in real life. Definitely regret letting myself get so burned out / used by the company but don't regret putting everything I had into that implementation. Still miss that job - though I think (hope?) that was professional rock…

Of course, I am not an MD and I know nothing of medicine, however I think it's not unreasonable to imagine that the sort of episode you describe could have ended with a crippling stroke or even more awful consequences. If you had ended up permanently blind, or in a chair, would you have had any regrets?

Yeah of course - that would have not been ideal. I know myself though (and know field of the niche products I work on) and I was just going to keep pushing myself as hard as possible until something like that happened.

I'm glad everything worked out and wish it happened a different way but if I didn't hit that burn out then I'm sure it would have ended up much worse down the line.

At the very least now I have a better idea how/when to tell future bosses to go fuck themselves :)

Re: Ask HN: What's your spectacular burnout story?

#84

Wanted to achieve lot in my life. And saw money as means to do that. Was ambitious, working hard. Left the job, founded company. Worked my ass off for 5 years. Failed. But earned enough so that for the last 2 years haven't been really working while trying to get my shit together (although soon the savings will run dry). Ruined my marriage with the only person I really cared about. Can't get any motivation to do anyth…

Sorry to hear this.

The way I've found motivation is to do something small for myself. It doesn't matter if it's not a world changing idea, but it has to be for you and it has to be small so that you can finish it quickly.

This is only intended to start working the motivation muscle (the reward system) of your brain. It takes time, but that's how I've done it in the past.

You can do this.

Re: Ask HN: What's your spectacular burnout story?

#85
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my sense of burnout (having been through it myself and watched closely about 10-12 people go through it) is that it's caused when there's a huge mismatch between an expected reward and a large amount of effort expended prior to the reward. What was the event that caused you to burn out in the first place? It looks like you expected at least social (if not material) recognition for some herculean effort that you went…

That's not how it happened in my case. I was promoted to a manager role that I wasn't suited for, and pretended I could just go on being an individual contributor while still handling the managerial role. I went from doing good work as a developer to mediocre work as a manager, and I started seeing personal failure in everything I touched. I left the organization after that and moved across the country to take anothe…

I just want to say that i've had several burnouts throughout life so far, the majority being during key projects for my school/university. This has become a recurrent event as it is now happening also during my work. Anxiety feeds it. In any case, i also have history of grand mal seizures and sleep deprivation is one of the key triggers for this. I'm actively trying to improve my lifestyle and take control of my life. As my neurologist said: focus on psychohygiene.

Re: Ask HN: What's your spectacular burnout story?

#86

Drank for the first 25 years of my career. High-functioning alcoholic, I guess. You've definitely heard of the products I have a bunch of code in, and the companies I worked for. I don't know how I managed getting blasted every night and still write all that code. As things got worse I started working for smaller and smaller companies, and wound up essentially jobless and alone and drinking off of my savings in a Sil…

[AA is controversial, I know]

AA is controversial among a tiny minority of anti-religion internet blowhards. For the vast majority of reasonable folks, it really isn't. Glad to hear it has worked for you.

Re: Ask HN: What's your spectacular burnout story?

#87

It's happening right now, for me. Burnout feels like having no purchase on life, nothing making sense, no creativity, no joy, just fleeting comforts amid growing and deepening discomfort. The way I see it, this kind of tiredness can't be met by a good night's sleep. It's a tiredness of the soul. Sadly, what I have found is that to cope with the tiredness, boredom, stress and loneliness of my 'successful' life, I have…

Gross.

Re: Ask HN: What's your spectacular burnout story?

#88

Long time member, first time anonymous post. Here's my tale of woe and burnout. There's a lesson at the end. Nothing profound. But if you find yourself in a situation like this it may help. Last job. Unremarkable but comfortable corporate job in web/backend development. Longest stint I had done in my life, at least going back to elementary school. Been there over 5 years. Got promoted to senior. My boss got bumped up…

PIPs and 360 reviews; didn't happen to work for Honeywell?

Re: Ask HN: What's your spectacular burnout story?

#89
post #59

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Nah. I don't need to care about the reactions of strangers on the internet. If you act like someone who needs to be called out, I'll call you out. I genuinely don't care. Lol.

Nobody needs to be “called out” on Hackers News. We're here for civil, substantive discussion, and we ask users not to post if they're not going to contribute to that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Nobody needs to be “called out” on Hackers News. We're here for civil, substantive discussion, and we ask users not to post if they're not going to contribute to that.

I was being civil and argued the way the OP phrased it was attacking people with issues. Then a bunch of people complained about it.

It is pretty clear you aren't interested in a civil discussion based on the fact you feel attacking people with mental illness is civil and that you support that behavior personally. I'm glad you personally admitted that you feel people who feel burned out are detached from reality and delusional. Knowing that sort of sentiment is common on HN and YC's staff makes me feel better about cutting y'all off.

But please, tell me more about I'm the one who isn't civil.

Re: Ask HN: What's your spectacular burnout story?

#90
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on their claim for specific damages? How could a temporary change to robots.txt cause millions of dollars in damage? (Assuming you weren't telling Google to de-index TripAdvisor or some other huge SEO-dependant site.)

The code change was requested by an employee and it wouldn't have caused any damage. Feature, not a bug. Imagine trying to explain this to someone who doesn't know what "code" is. It's just people making up a story to blame you. The point is that you can be blamed for anything you do and become involved in a frivolous lawsuit.

Usually in the US you can only be sued for actual, provable economic damages that are suffered as a result of your actions. It sounds like there may have been more to the story here.
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