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Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by to3m »

meesterdude wrote: post #70
cma wrote: post #50

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Trains do about 30 times better on a tablespoon of diesel, and that's only including the weight of the freight and not the train itself.

i feel like a train isn't going to get anywhere on a tablespoon. That's enough for a few engine strokes perhaps, but that's hardly 30 times better than a mile by a human, no?

My car will probably go (at its best) about 300m on a tablespoon of fuel. About a fifth of a mile. But it weighs about 20 times as much as I do, so I think that's pretty good going.

With a rolling start and flat ground it will pass this test at 30mph, and probably higher too. That's quite a lot faster than I can run, too...

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by treehau5 »

gruez wrote: post #73
spodek wrote: post #10

> The next time you tuck into a protein rich dinner, it may be a good idea to hold off on the sugary drinks. For 300,000 of human existence except the past few decades, humans drank no sugar-sweetened drinks. It is always a good idea to hold off on sugary drinks.

For 300,000 of human existence except the past couple of centuries, humans did not use vaccines. It is always a good idea to hold off on vaccines. Not saying drinking sugary drinks is good, but your justification is bad

This is not a good comparison. Your counter analogy is equally bad.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by will_brown »

stephen_g wrote: post #72
majkinetor wrote: post #68

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Yeah, because toxins do not exist, right ? And you can't ingest them or be exposed to them chronically. It only makes sense that we all live in perfectly clean environment and eat perfectly nutritious food 24x7 ...

Your liver removes toxins as one of its normal functions. There is no evidence that any sort of 'detox' diet is able to assist with this any more than a normal diet (with sufficient vitamins etc.).

You acknowledge vitamins are required for healthy detox functions of the liver...those vitamins come from food/diet and the toxins themselves come from foods also.

So to promote optimal health foods that promote healthy detox functions should be consumed and those that uncessisarily introduce toxins or disturb proper detox functions of the body should be avoided...if you call that a "normal diet" fine, at this point you are debating semantics.

Just to put things in perspective with "normal", 10% of US kids have non alcoholic fatty liver disease, just like childhood diabetes...these diseases didn't exist in kids 30 years ago and they are all dietary, so let's drop words like "normal" and talk specifics.

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Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by draw_down »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #37
ClassyJacket wrote: post #28

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While I don't have any hard facts or make any claims about what it does, the idea that fruit juice = fruit is likely inaccurate. Juicing seems to leave behind the fiber and concentrate the sugar. It seems at least plausible that there's a significant difference in the digestion and metabolism of each.

The fruit that they used to have probably didn't resemble what you can go out and buy these days either. However, I don't think that looking at what humans ate millennia ago is a good indication of what we should do.

God forbid we discover our ancestors used to eat dirt.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by stinos »

auxym wrote: post #63
will_brown wrote: post #52

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I'm a distance runner and personally find I enjoy a high fat diet for balancing weight, performance (how I feel more than time), and physique (entirely ego driven, but can't over look the real effect of thoughts/beliefs on health). That said I have personally run on high fat (even in ketosis, and seperately eating animal products and vegan); high protein/more fairly a body builder bulking macro(including dairy protei…

This whole toxins thing is a load of crap. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-m... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification_(alternative_me...

This whole toxins thing is a load of crap.

That's what I was always using bluntly in arguments with the 'detox crowd' until I learned about chelation therapy [1]. So it's not as simple as 'no way administering any substance will get rid of toxins'. Now, that doesn't mean there is any truth whatsoever in typical detox claims (think 'drink this tea for five days and you'll get rid of toxins stored in your body') but it does mean, to me, that I won't be using overly general claims like 'this whole detox is a bunch of crap' but instead opt for more prudent statements. Which is imo what the one you're replying to did: it wasn't about the standard detox stuff, but about avoiding toxins in the first place and about toxins binding to certain food. Which I'd love to read more about.. Sources anyone?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelation_therapy

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by CuriousSkeptic »

SCHiM wrote: post #64
CuriousSkeptic wrote: post #61

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Actually most diets fail because you stop dieting AND when you do, you now have decreased your metabolic rate and increased your production of hunger hormone. In summary you are way more likely to fail keeping a stable weight after dieting then you were before. The failure rate is something like 98%

But that's the point. A diet is not something that you do a few months after which you get and keep a killer figure while returning to eating whatever you want. A diet should be the preliminary to a permanent shift in eating habits.

This is very true. We just need to avoid recommending unsustainable diets based on calories in/out thinking. Since they all ultimately fail. Also why settle for a decreased metabolic rate when you could actually increase it and enjoy the extra energy instead. No need to feel miserable the rest of your life.

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Post by resf »

mchannon wrote: post #39
gaius wrote: post #21

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Fruit juice? Does fructose vs sucrose make a difference?

I predict in the coming years we'll start referring to fructose as "bad sugar" and glucose/dextrose as "good sugar". Sucrose, being a 50/50 compound of the two, thus inherits "bad sugar" from the fructose produced during digestion. HFCS actually ranges from 29-55% fructose vs. glucose/dextrose (the highest being available in CocaCola freestyle soda machines), and can be better or worse than sucrose, but is generally…

> Is it possible that we're fat only because we're eating the wrong kind of sugars?

Nope, we are fat because there are many cheap sources of calories, particularly deep fried foods.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by hahajk »

spodek wrote: post #10

> The next time you tuck into a protein rich dinner, it may be a good idea to hold off on the sugary drinks. For 300,000 of human existence except the past few decades, humans drank no sugar-sweetened drinks. It is always a good idea to hold off on sugary drinks.

On the flip side, the idea of drinking mainly non-alcoholic water also emerged only in the past couple decades. Humans have been drinking beer/mead/wine since prehistory, which are basically sugar sweetened drinks left to ferment.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by CuriousSkeptic »

KludgyPerl wrote: post #65
gaius wrote: post #21

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Fruit juice? Does fructose vs sucrose make a difference?

Yes. Fructose loads your liver. Sucrose breaks down into glucose (which can be metabolized by many cells) and fructose (which is only metabolized by the liver). They're both bad when over consumed. This laid out pretty well in The Obesity Code by Jason Fung (a real doctor).

As I understand it, it's worse still. While glucose can be directly converted to energy, fructose must first be turned into fat, before it can be converted to glucose or ketones.

This fat will be stored in the liver.

The more fat you have in your intestines the more insuline resistance you'll have. Which in the end will screw with the entire body in various ways.

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