Live data from Hacker News

YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

tubefilter.com

81–90 of 90 posts

Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

#81
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>how often do they quote verses and present a religious arguments that millions are sympathetic to? Millions of Americans are sympathetic to the idea of a war with Islam being necessary to usher in Armageddon, and of current US policy being a way to bring this about. George W. Bush even called the War on Terror a "new Crusade," explicitly evoking the mythology of war between Christianity and Islam, a mythology which…

> George W. Bush even called the War on Terror a "new Crusade," perhaps ironically for your argument, he's also the guy who started the 'religion of peace' comedy (iirc anyways). > How does it legitimize religiosity and violence to point out that both Christianity and Islam have a violent fringe it's not about 'have a violent fringe'. your words convey 'there are no functional differences'. islam has a 'violent fring…

> islam has a 'violent fringe' in the way the revolutionary proletariats or nazi brownshirts had a 'violent fringe'. the violence is rationalized through ideological structures.

Well, no, Islam has a 'violent fringe' in the way Germans had a violent fringe. Are you claiming that every Muslim is the equivalent of a Nazi brownshirt, when not even every Nazi was a brownshirt, and not every German was a Nazi? It seems like you're making my point more than refuting it.

>when your dialectic is unable to articulate or recognize the extant ideological structures that rationalize, justify and endorse violence, the discussion must then pursue things outside of religion if it pretends to explain anything.

I do recognize them, I'm just refusing to recognize that they only exist in Islam.

I'm attempting to draw an equivalency between radical Islam and radical Christianity, and trying to point out that while similar claims about the violent ideals and tactics can be made about both, particularly when taking a literal interpretation of the canon of each religion, neither represents the mainstream view of that religion.

You're kind of proving my point, here. The problem with radical Islam isn't Islam, it's the politics of the radicals and the states that support them.

>this supports the postmodernist and terrorist sympathizer claims that every dead westerner brought it upon themselves for being evil westerners

But, that's not a claim I'm actually making, so no it kind of doesn't. It seems like we're typing past one another.

Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

#83
post #66
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other day I was considering commenting in a negative way about something the NSA tweeted, but a voice in my head said, "Do you really want to be put on a special surveilance list?" That's when I realized our freedoms are under threat by those that are tasked with defending them. Think what you will about the NSA, but they certainly have not gone out of their way to make clear to me they care about my freedoms. Ly…

>Also more related to your comment the "don't watch ISIS videos it gives them power." I think it's misguided. Just out of curiousity I tracked down a couple of them online and it was very thought provoking. It did not make me fear ISIS more, but it did help me understand the situation more. Just not convinced intelligent people should avoid uncensored information collection I think there has to be a better way to edu…

Anything else would be second hand though. Sometimes I feel the need to research something for myself and it's important that some people do that. Watching allows me to answer questions like, "What is the message they are trying to get across in these videos?" "Do the videos match up to the descriptions given by the media?" These are important questions to answer.

Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried without a profile and with another profile ? I regularly search Google with questions I think another persona would ask (parents or project manager recently).

no but it doesn't matter - none of the pages had my search terms, and they all had a different search term. It's obvious Google actively decided to return totally different pages. for my example with the vasectomy, it's as though all the pages returned were about "sex by deception" or maybe even "rape by deception". I'm not going to do the male version so we'll never know :)

These are my results for "How do I trick a man into thinking he's the father" (same results for normal profile and anonymous browsing):

``` It Is Never OK to Trick a Man Into Fatherhood | CafeMom thestir.cafemom.com/pregnancy/128660/it_is_never_ok_to Women who trick men into fatherhood are the lowest of the low. ... like these where the man is clearly duped into becoming a father because of the woman's ... I think mothers need to be supported and that men get off the hook on many things ... NO SHE DIDN'T ! she's NEVER had a kid, and I know it, before when we used to ...

Four men reveal the trauma of becoming a dad by deception | Daily ... www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Four-men-reveal-trauma-dad-deception.ht... She's not the only one to have tried this ultimate deception. ... Last week, Liz Jones confessed how she tried to trick her husband into fathering her child. .... I also think Carol wasn't thinking of the child, and I wonder how she ...

Man fools partner into thinking he's in bed on Twitter | Daily Mail Online www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Boyfriend-fools-partner-thinking-s-bed.ht... The man used a coat to construct a fake bed and took a selfie while at the ... with his attempt to trick his girlfriend into thinking he is in bed while.

These Guys Say They Were Tricked Into Becoming Fathers | Glamour https://www.glamour.com/story/these-guys-say-they-were-trick ... who supposedly trick men into having babies with them--the idea being, ... He's never met his son and bailed when I was 11-weeks pregnant (and I ... their guys with the complete intension of getting pregnant but I also think ...

It Happened to Me: I Tried to Trick my Ex Into Getting Me Pregnant www.xojane.com/.../it-happened-me-i-tried-trick-my-ex-getting-m... “Besides,” she coaxed me, “really, don't you think he's gay? ... now to my beautiful son, whose father -- my husband -- was a willing participant ...

Eight Loving Ways to Manipulate Someone into Loving You - Medium https://medium.com/.../eight-loving-ways-to-manipulate-someo.... Here are eight tricks you can use which I don't think cause any harm… ... Try them not just on lovers but also on parents, siblings, friends and anyone ... Stare into someone's eyes for 60 seconds to induce feelings similar to love. ... end of the film when he's expecting you to say something like, “That Meryl.

Secretarial Wars - Page 89 - Résultats Google Recherche de Livres https://books.google.be/books?isbn=0595275923 Linda Gould - 2003 - ‎Fiction You're prepared to trick a man into thinking he's gotten you pregnant, and you'll be ... Didn't you have enough trouble convincing him he was the father last time, ...

Grandpa Tricks Family into Thinking He Died in Heartbreaking Holiday ... "How do I trick a man into thinking he's the father" 1:29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoIZfycTWuM

Grandpa Tricks Family into Thinking He Died in Heartbreaking Holiday Ad ... which starts with an old man ... Dad Pranks Son With Fake Hand - YouTube "How do I trick a man into thinking he's the father" 0:42 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH_TRzlO13s

See the fear in this kid's eyes when his dad tricks him into thinking he sawed off his own father's hand ... Dad tricked into believing IVF baby was his only to find the father was ... www.mirror.co.uk › News › Real Life Stories › IVF Dad tricked into believing IVF baby was his only to find the father ... But now it is a heartbreaking reminder of the cruel trick that tore nine-year-old Simon from him. ... you love and think is your own – that is the cruelest thing anyone can do. ... “Yet he is with her every day while I just long to have him here. ```

Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no but it doesn't matter - none of the pages had my search terms, and they all had a different search term. It's obvious Google actively decided to return totally different pages. for my example with the vasectomy, it's as though all the pages returned were about "sex by deception" or maybe even "rape by deception". I'm not going to do the male version so we'll never know :)

These are my results for "How do I trick a man into thinking he's the father" (same results for normal profile and anonymous browsing): ``` It Is Never OK to Trick a Man Into Fatherhood | CafeMom thestir.cafemom.com/pregnancy/128660/it_is_never_ok_to Women who trick men into fatherhood are the lowest of the low. ... like these where the man is clearly duped into becoming a father because of the woman's ... I think mo…

Not sure what my exact search had been but at any rate none of your search results give practical advice into how to trick a different man into thinking he's the father, if you're already pregnant by someone else. If you're really intent on reproducing my results maybe add something about how you're already pregnant. I certainly am not making up my results as I had never heard the term paternity fraud (or some equivalent term.)

Note: parent comment is a male based on username, this is apparently just research.

Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

#86
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Great then. Do you have any ideas then how to stop the radicalisation of young muslims? The stuff GP is talking about is generally not being done to "stop the radicalisation of young muslims" but more likely as CYA/good PR. Maybe for some it's genuinely in good spirit but let's be honest here, it's probably not going to make a big difference. Ideas to stop radicalization? Well, slowing down marginalization first wo…

I wish we could stop the marginalization, but just free education including university, healthcare, etc, isn't enough apparently. It's a similar problem as other marginalized groups - there must be some dynamics in play that keeps them marginalized. Maybe it's as simple as their own pride combined with more or less subtle classism (more than racism) from the middle classes that alienates them. I don't think this is f…

> It's a similar problem as other marginalized groups - there must be some dynamics in play that keeps them marginalized.

It's called having a scapegoat, it's especially obvious in Europe. 30 years ago the scapegoats in Western Europe used to be Eastern Europeans. Refugees from the Yugoslav wars had not been welcomed at all, EU expansion to the East (Poland) resulted in a lot of racist sentiments flaming up along the lines of "These Poles are gonna steal all our stuff and are criminal".

Now, 30 years later, not much has changed. Those that used to be marginalized have now found a new target they can marginalize themselves: Muslim refugees.

Suddenly we have a "European Identity" and that identity even includes Eastern Europeans who seem to have learned very little from their own marginalization and now proceed to do exactly the same things to another group.

It looks like humans always need somebody to put the blame on, stuff just can't go wrong, there always has to be some "evil mind" behind all the ugly stuff that happens.

Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really, because we must censor ideas like "love your enemies" and "treat others the way you want to be treated"? (Matthew 5:44) ( https://youtu.be/L0HhHLHLHaA ) I agree that abusers will use any name for their own means, but generalization of a group because of false persons who claim that group is never helpful. Of course there are the false teachers who use Christianity for their own power (i.e. televangelist types…

Yes, because none of Islam preaches love and none of Christianity preaches death to homosexuals.

(Forgive me for the length of this, but I hope it does give you something to consider.)

I would just request a fair hearing on the point of what a literalist Christian is by definition:

"Die to save your enemies" (Christ's teaching and action) is the direct opposite of "kill your enemies at all costs" (terrorism).

Just from the sermon on the mount (Matthew 5-7), a literalist Christian would have to do the following:

- Be glad when people insult you and falsely accuse you (5:11-12)

- Always be a good example for your community (5:14-16)

- Have a righteousness greater then the religious leaders (5:20)

- Not be angry or insult others (5:22)

- Make peace with others before coming to God (5:23)

- Settle with people quickly and find a solution to disagreements before it becomes a legal battle (5:25)

- Not look at a woman lustfully (or a man in the general sense) (5:28)

- Control yourself (5:29-30)

- Never seek divorce (5:31-32)

- Every single communication must be truthful (5:37)

- Don't fight back or resist those who attack you (5:39)

- If someone steals or sues you, give them double what they seek (5:40)

- If someone forces you to work, do twice as much as they demand (5:41)

- Always give whoever asks and always lend to others who ask (5:42)

- Love your enemies and pray good for them and be perfect in that love for them (5:44-48)

- Never do good just to look good (6:1)

- Do good in secret as much as possible (6:3-4)

- Pray in secret to God not to be seen by people (6:5-6)

- Don't pray like an idiot (6:7)

- Pray for God's honor (6:9)

- Pray for God's will be done (6:10)

- Pray for daily needs (6:11)

- Pray for forgiveness as you forgive others (6:12)

- Pray for avoidance of temptation (6:13)

- Expect to receive forgiveness equally to the way you forgive others (6:14-15)

- Only fast in secret (6:18)

- Do not have treasures on earth, but instead have treasures in heaven (6:19-21)

- Do not chase after money, but chase after God (6:24)

- Do not worry about food, clothing, and daily needs. Expect God to take care of you (6:25-32)

- Instead seek God's kingdom and his righteousness in your life and let him take away your worry (6:33-34)

- Do not judge others or you will be judged in the same way by God (7:1)

- Don't accuse your brother when you have your own problems. (7:3-4)

- Solve your own problems first, then you can try to help your brother. (7:5)

- Don't go around like your crap don't stink (being a jerk judging everyone else) or you will find enemies who will rip you a new one. (7:6)

- Ask and work to obtain your needs (7:7-11)

- Treat others exactly the way you would like them to treat you (7:12)

- Don't follow popular opinion because it leads to death (7:13-14)

- Watch out for false teachers who claim to be lambs but are really wolves (7:15)

- Judge a person's character according to the evidence of their life not by the name they claim (7:16-20)

- If you only claim Jesus and don't obey him, you do not know him (7:21-23)

- If you listen to Jesus and obey his teaching, you are wise (7:24-25)

- If you listen to Jesus but don't obey him, you are acting stupidly and will destroy yourself (7:26-27)

- Jesus teaching is amazing and completely different then the religious leaders (7:28-29)

I think in my best objective reasoning, that if every human lived like this, the world would be an awesome place to live.

Refer to Galations 5:22-23 (ESV): "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law"

(Before continuing, I would confess I fail to live up to these often and I recognize my own stupidity, arrogance, and selfishness. Despite that, as instructed, I seek forgiveness for my failings; and I strive to live up to these values, as I intend to love God and love others like this.)

Having said that, any hateful person can claim any name and use it to attack others. When that person is clearly acting in the exact opposite of the teachings of that group, should those teachings be blamed?

This is not a "No True Scottsman" claim:

I am not saying people who do evil are not Christians. On the contrary, a Christian might do evil things, but when they do so, they are acting in error - in direct contradiction to their teachings. The fault is not with the teachings, but with the failure of the individual to "practice what they preach".

As a tech analogy:

A diode with a flaw in it may act like a capacitor. Though it was intended to be a diode, it is no longer acting like one and it is now acting in direct contradiction to it's definition. The individual diode is in a failure state, but the failure state of an individual diode (or even some percentage of the group) does not apply to the definition of what a diode should be.

The definition of the diode is good and the goal would be that all diodes actually fulfill their definition.

So the argument should not be against "all Christian videos", but the argument should be that "all Christians should actually do what Christ said".

Concerning Islam, I think it would be great for any Islam teacher (and everyone) to preach love, forgiveness, and sacrificing yourself to save your enemies.

Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But more casual group members might actually change their mind if they are confronted with outside opinions, especially if they hadn't considered them before. Not if they are literally being tricked into being lectured, that's not how you convince any sane person of your credibility, it's, in fact, a giant disservice to your credibility. You don't convince people through forced lectures, you convince people by enga…

> You don't convince people through forced lectures, you convince people by engaging with them on an even level discourse to reach a common understanding of the issue at hand. Is that how Trump became presidents? Is he convincing by doing even level discourse? Bullshit. We are still all humans after all and so believe what we want to believe no matter the truth.

If you really want to go there, we can do that, sure. Imho one of the reasons why Trump won is because nobody took him seriously, democrats underestimated him that's why they focused on him as the potential competition, they figured he would be an easy target to tear down.

Didn't exactly play out that way did it? That's why understanding is important, otherwise reality will just come crashing down on you and you won't even understand why it happened. Just like many democrats are now in denial and increasingly behaving equally childish as Trump, blaming everything and everybody for Trumps win except for themselves and their lackluster candidate.

It's gotten to a point where even when Trump does something sensible, like cutting CIA funding for "moderate rebels" in Syria, he's still vilified as having done it "for Russia" or whatever other reason one could come up with for the sole sake of not saying a single positive thing about the current US administration, which is just childish.

Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Reddit too closed down a couple of subreddits It is disappointing what reddit has become in the past few years. From a genuine open platform to where the admins and the mods are now open and unabashed propagandists. It is also scary how the traditional media has so easily forced social media to conform to their standards. The promise of social media was that it was the anti-traditional media. Unfiltered, raw, sourc…

To be fair, is the problem with reddit not mostly subreddit moderators? Obviously reddit admins are guilty as well with modifying the algorithm to hide certain types of speech, but it seems to me the biggest problem is moderators. For the time being, I think a widespread movement to create a well-known convention of /r/{subreddit}_uncensored would help things immensely.

In the case of the scw subreddit it was actually the reddit admins forcing the issue while the subreddit mods heavily opposed it.

So even if you created uncensored subreddits, you would most likely have the admins swoop in just to delete them.

Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don't convince people through forced lectures, you convince people by engaging with them on an even level discourse to reach a common understanding of the issue at hand. Is that how Trump became presidents? Is he convincing by doing even level discourse? Bullshit. We are still all humans after all and so believe what we want to believe no matter the truth.

If you really want to go there, we can do that, sure. Imho one of the reasons why Trump won is because nobody took him seriously, democrats underestimated him that's why they focused on him as the potential competition, they figured he would be an easy target to tear down. Didn't exactly play out that way did it? That's why understanding is important, otherwise reality will just come crashing down on you and you won'…

My point i wrote already was that he did not win with even-level discourse.

Contrary to what you asserted is it not a requirement to convince somebody to have an even-level discourse with him.

So it is fair to assume our target group behaves similarly cause we are all human. If you look around you you may find lots more examples of this.

Post reply on HN