This is simply censorship. YouTube has a right to censor its content so it can make more money. The service will be less useful for research and reporting of news stories, I suppose but the censorship is not any different than what TV and other media have been doing for decades. Frankly, I'm surprised it took them this long. They are a commercial entity after all and their only reason for being is to make money. Of course, now they are using the technology to censor terrorists. Tomorrow they'll censor more reasonable content, no doubt. That's how these things work.
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really, because we must censor ideas like "love your enemies" and "treat others the way you want to be treated"? (Matthew 5:44) ( https://youtu.be/L0HhHLHLHaA ) I agree that abusers will use any name for their own means, but generalization of a group because of false persons who claim that group is never helpful. Of course there are the false teachers who use Christianity for their own power (i.e. televangelist types…
Yes, because none of Islam preaches love and none of Christianity preaches death to homosexuals.
i don't see many christians blowing up kids 'for jesus', or decaptitating children 'for jesus' or throwing people off buildings, or raping or pillaging...
the radicalization of young christians into violent murder machines is a massive problem.
certtainly we must pursue this blatant false equivalency at all costs. because all religion is obviously the same in every way.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really, because we must censor ideas like "love your enemies" and "treat others the way you want to be treated"? (Matthew 5:44) ( https://youtu.be/L0HhHLHLHaA ) I agree that abusers will use any name for their own means, but generalization of a group because of false persons who claim that group is never helpful. Of course there are the false teachers who use Christianity for their own power (i.e. televangelist types…
This comment is just "no true Scotsman..."
a la 'isis aren't real muslims'?
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#74The precedence this sets is so scary and shortsighted. So a gay man ( or even a straight person ) in saudi arabia wanting to find out more about homosexuality will be directed to anti-gay playlist which tells them how evil gays are? In china, instead of blocking tiannamen square searches, they'll simply redirct it to showing what a great a idea it was? What about religious countries? Will youtube simply redirect sear…
generally, 'liberal' politicians in the us are the same corporate sell-outs that 'conservative' politicians are.
they just work in a smidge of meaningless feel-good language in the rhetoric while doing largely nothing of consequence to actually help put food on the table.
they glory in war and economic imperialism and servicing the oligarchy just as much as any.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, because none of Islam preaches love and none of Christianity preaches death to homosexuals.
i don't see many christians blowing up kids 'for jesus', or decaptitating children 'for jesus' or throwing people off buildings, or raping or pillaging... the radicalization of young christians into violent murder machines is a massive problem. certtainly we must pursue this blatant false equivalency at all costs. because all religion is obviously the same in every way.
> i don't see many christians blowing up kids 'for jesus', or decaptitating children 'for jesus' or throwing people off buildings, or raping or pillaging...
Most Muslims don't do any of those things, either.
Meanwhile, some Christians do blow up abortion clinics, shoot up gay nightclubs, mosques and Sikh temples, and put Bible verses on their gunsights when shooting Muslims in the desert. And then you have Christian groups like the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda who do decapitate children, rape and pillage "for Jesus," and practice many of the same violent tactics as any Muslim extremist group.
>certtainly we must pursue this blatant false equivalency at all costs. because all religion is obviously the same in every way.
You are right about there being a false equivalency, but it's not where you seem to think it is.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also wonder if any religious video of any faith that calls for beating one's wife,inequality between men and women, death for non believers and homosexuals, antisemitism or female genital mutilation will also be counted as extremist video.
Even if the video calls for none of those, you mean? Of course, like you, I would quite like to see all Christian videos banned, but I'm afraid it might set a precedent.
>Even if the video calls for none of those, you mean?
...Eh?
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
i don't see many christians blowing up kids 'for jesus', or decaptitating children 'for jesus' or throwing people off buildings, or raping or pillaging... the radicalization of young christians into violent murder machines is a massive problem. certtainly we must pursue this blatant false equivalency at all costs. because all religion is obviously the same in every way.
> i don't see many christians blowing up kids 'for jesus', or decaptitating children 'for jesus' or throwing people off buildings, or raping or pillaging... Most Muslims don't do any of those things, either. Meanwhile, some Christians do blow up abortion clinics, shoot up gay nightclubs, mosques and Sikh temples, and put Bible verses on their gunsights when shooting Muslims in the desert. And then you have Christian…
> Most Muslims don't do any of those things, either.
most soviets never hurt anyone. most nazis never hurt anyone.
> some Christians do ...
with what structural support? how often do they quote verses and present a religious arguments that millions are sympathetic to?
> it's not where you seem to think it is
your dialectic of equivalency that you engage in legitimizes religiosity and by proxy religious violence, and delegitimizes secularism as well as non-religiosity and atheism.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
> i don't see many christians blowing up kids 'for jesus', or decaptitating children 'for jesus' or throwing people off buildings, or raping or pillaging... Most Muslims don't do any of those things, either. Meanwhile, some Christians do blow up abortion clinics, shoot up gay nightclubs, mosques and Sikh temples, and put Bible verses on their gunsights when shooting Muslims in the desert. And then you have Christian…
> Most Muslims don't do any of those things, either. most soviets never hurt anyone. most nazis never hurt anyone. > some Christians do ... with what structural support? how often do they quote verses and present a religious arguments that millions are sympathetic to? > it's not where you seem to think it is your dialectic of equivalency that you engage in legitimizes religiosity and by proxy religious violence, and…
>how often do they quote verses and present a religious arguments that millions are sympathetic to?
Millions of Americans are sympathetic to the idea of a war with Islam being necessary to usher in Armageddon, and of current US policy being a way to bring this about. George W. Bush even called the War on Terror a "new Crusade," explicitly evoking the mythology of war between Christianity and Islam, a mythology which exists in both religions, although in a context in which each religion believes it will win.
The philosophies of modern, Apocalyptic conservative Christianity and radical Islam are more alike than different.
>your dialectic of equivalency that you engage in legitimizes religiosity and by proxy religious violence, and delegitimizes secularism as well as non-religiosity and atheism
How does it legitimize religiosity and violence to point out that both Christianity and Islam have a violent fringe?
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Great then. Do you have any ideas then how to stop the radicalisation of young muslims? I'm less inclined to believe that rational discussions with ISIS warriors and their supporters will lead that far. I live in what used to be one of the most secular countries in the world, and for various reasons our government have encouraged immigration from the middle east for 20 years, providing free education, free healthcare…
> Great then. Do you have any ideas then how to stop the radicalisation of young muslims? The stuff GP is talking about is generally not being done to "stop the radicalisation of young muslims" but more likely as CYA/good PR. Maybe for some it's genuinely in good spirit but let's be honest here, it's probably not going to make a big difference. Ideas to stop radicalization? Well, slowing down marginalization first wo…
I wish we could stop the marginalization, but just free education including university, healthcare, etc, isn't enough apparently.
It's a similar problem as other marginalized groups - there must be some dynamics in play that keeps them marginalized.
Maybe it's as simple as their own pride combined with more or less subtle classism (more than racism) from the middle classes that alienates them.
I don't think this is fixable without rather far going measures, like tearing down bad suburbs and rebuild as low scale areas that encourages a high degree of social control that also the middle class would like to live in, forcibly designate schools to assure an even mix of social background, programs for encouraging studies, repress religious influences, some new ideas to punish young criminals without putting them in crime-scools like now, and probably really harsh punisment for repeat offenders.
Nothing of this is likely to happen except harsh punishment that won't do much on its own.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Most Muslims don't do any of those things, either. most soviets never hurt anyone. most nazis never hurt anyone. > some Christians do ... with what structural support? how often do they quote verses and present a religious arguments that millions are sympathetic to? > it's not where you seem to think it is your dialectic of equivalency that you engage in legitimizes religiosity and by proxy religious violence, and…
>how often do they quote verses and present a religious arguments that millions are sympathetic to? Millions of Americans are sympathetic to the idea of a war with Islam being necessary to usher in Armageddon, and of current US policy being a way to bring this about. George W. Bush even called the War on Terror a "new Crusade," explicitly evoking the mythology of war between Christianity and Islam, a mythology which…
> George W. Bush even called the War on Terror a "new Crusade,"
perhaps ironically for your argument, he's also the guy who started the 'religion of peace' comedy (iirc anyways).
> How does it legitimize religiosity and violence to point out that both Christianity and Islam have a violent fringe
it's not about 'have a violent fringe'. your words convey 'there are no functional differences'. islam has a 'violent fringe' in the way the revolutionary proletariats or nazi brownshirts had a 'violent fringe'. the violence is rationalized through ideological structures.
when your dialectic is unable to articulate or recognize the extant ideological structures that rationalize, justify and endorse violence, the discussion must then pursue things outside of religion if it pretends to explain anything.
this supports the postmodernist and terrorist sympathizer claims that every dead westerner brought it upon themselves for being evil westerners.
this dialetic is further endorsed and mirrored by islamists (and other religionists) who fold this into a dialectic where religion is good by definitional fiat.
their religion doesn't influence violence because religion is good by definition. any suggestion otherwise becomes a category error.
but hey. maybe you're right. perhaps western civilization is functionally the same as isis, and we shouldn't judge misunderstood islamists.
their violence has no religious basis (religion is good!), it's just them defending themselves from our evil ways by decapitating children while screaming (purely coincidentally, no correlation) 'allahu akhbar'.