China doesn't represent Anglo Saxon culture or ideals. Canada, NZ, Australia, the UK and the US are the reason we have freedom of everything.
On Campuses Far From China, Still Under Beijing’s Watchful Eye
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure what you're implying when you say it's "interesting". If you have a problem with the equation of anti-Tibet political intervention by China and anti-Palestine intervention by Israel then state your case.
> If you have a problem with the equation of anti-Tibet political intervention by China and anti-Palestine intervention by Israel then state your case. As much as Israel has colonized parts of Palestine by way of settlements, its nothing like the Chinese annexation and colonization of Tibet.
Perfect, let's downplay Israel by shitting on China!
In reality, both of these are clear examples of how the victor gets to write the history books. By getting rid of the conversations, this is unequivocally censorship.
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#83I see this as an outgrowth of left-liberal student bodies clamping down on conservative speech on college campuses. If leftist students can block Ann Coulter from speaking then why can't Chinese students block the Dalai Lama? Every speech is guaranteed to offend someone and that's verboten in today's campuses. As a libertarian, I was always worried about this and it was a main reason why I opposed social justice warr…
Between the laughable analogy comparing Ann Coulter to the Dalai Lama and an argument evoking a strawman SJW, it's not clear if you're here to discuss things in good faith. Your hyperbole doesn't help your argument either. What topic of discussion do you fear having a discourse about?
sorry, but i think he's totally correct and it's a good faith comparison. they're both speakers that have been subject to offended parties try to shut down their speeches. there's no reason besides base tribalism to think one is appropriate to shut down and the other isn't. the principle of free speech is why we should allow both to speak publicly, as well as any detractors who wish to protest.
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#84I see this as an outgrowth of left-liberal student bodies clamping down on conservative speech on college campuses. If leftist students can block Ann Coulter from speaking then why can't Chinese students block the Dalai Lama? Every speech is guaranteed to offend someone and that's verboten in today's campuses. As a libertarian, I was always worried about this and it was a main reason why I opposed social justice warr…
It has nothing really do to with that. Chinese government doesn't care about left wing American students and what they think. It is just doing what it can to promote its message, like it has been doing for decades.
I think gp is saying that the first action legitimizes the second by setting precedent, so it's difficult to call the second action illegitimate.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rising housing prices in Vancouver are a valid concern. I don't understand why the grandparent is downvoted. You don't combat racism by not recognizing valid grievances.
how am I being racist? We have rich chinese immigrants from mainland literally buying their permanent residency and driving up the price of housing here. We have the chinese government pushing us around and our weak government isn't standing up for Canadians. I think it's a valid concern.
Proof for the last point would be great.
Re: On Campuses Far From China, Still Under Beijing’s Watchful Eye
#86I see this as an outgrowth of left-liberal student bodies clamping down on conservative speech on college campuses. If leftist students can block Ann Coulter from speaking then why can't Chinese students block the Dalai Lama? Every speech is guaranteed to offend someone and that's verboten in today's campuses. As a libertarian, I was always worried about this and it was a main reason why I opposed social justice warr…
It has nothing really do to with that. Chinese government doesn't care about left wing American students and what they think. It is just doing what it can to promote its message, like it has been doing for decades.
the chinese government may not care what left wing american students have to say, but if those students establish a precedent that speakers deemed 'offensive' can be shut down solely for that reason, then the groundwork is laid for parties who _aren't_ left wing students to abuse that precedent as well. this is why we must defend the principle of free speech even when we disagree with the speakers.
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#87I think the Chinese government is making a huge mistake in the way it is oppressing freedom of speech at home and broad. China is now on its fourth political and economic system in the last century and a half. The present system is an accidental conglomeration of three quite contradictory philosophies: Confucianism, Marxism, and liberalism. It seems quite likely at some point it is going to prove unworkable. At that…
> At that point China is going to need to really think things out from basic principles and decide what sort of country it wants to be over the long term. That will take a great deal of intelligent, independent thinking. Alas, that is just what Xi Jinping is doing his best to stamp out.
I'd take the other side for a moment and suggest he may be doing what he thinks is best for unity in China.
Democracy isn't something you can just slap on top of anything. It starts from the ground up because it is built by the people.
Any form of government is always going to be concerned about some form of popular uprising. Negative sentiment isn't good for Trump, and it wouldn't be good for Xi either.
I agree with you that China needs to think things from basic principles. I'm just not sure whether my ideas about applying these within China are more or less correct than Xi's. Ultimately I think that's really up to the Chinese people.
On the one hand, democracy in China seems inevitable as their population grows more wealthy and has free time to demand a better life. On the other, it seems the nationalist side will always be able to say that any attempts to achieve democracy are the result of foreign agents. Perhaps China will achieve democracy when the West's fails. That would be a sight.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Between the laughable analogy comparing Ann Coulter to the Dalai Lama and an argument evoking a strawman SJW, it's not clear if you're here to discuss things in good faith. Your hyperbole doesn't help your argument either. What topic of discussion do you fear having a discourse about?
You can't accuse people of commenting in bad faith when you simply disagree with their comment. Please don't call names ("laughable" "hyperbolic argument" "you're here in bad faith".) If you cut everything except your last sentence, the result is a good comment.
I disagree, if the KKK puts on a protest today they are not doing to block shit. Protests have power with they are backed up by commen sentiment and nobody opposes them. But, attention is fractal in nature so if only some subgroup cares about an issue the same rules apply to that sub group.
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#89Israel's been doing this for a long time. Try inviting pro-Palestinian activists to campus and see what happens. At the end of the day, everyone has the right to protest, whether that's Black Lives Matter or the Westboro Baptist Church or any other group. Always distressing to see it used to further what I see as oppression but there's not really a whole lot to be done about it. You get your opinions and I get mine.…
> Israel's been doing this for a long time. Try inviting pro-Palestinian activists to campus and see what happens.
Having spent some time on college campuses recently, the exact opposite is the case.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a very interesting investigative documentary by Al Jazeera that shows how Israel funds and manages the Israeli lobby in the UK. I'll look for the link and edit this comment. Edit : Here is a link to part 1 of the series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceCOhdgRBoc . You can follow the "Up next" link to watch the other parts; there are 4 parts in total.
Not sure that the mouthpiece of the ruling family of Qatar is a reputable source for anything, much less any topic involving Israel.
To be fair, this was a minor scandal that was covered by all the press in the UK.