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Re: iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying to launch

#81
post #58

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From garadget's post on their forum: > At this time your only option is return Garadget to Amazon for refund. Your unit ID 2f0036... will be denied server connection. It seems to me like garadget is perfectly willing to refund the purchaser, once the purchaser returns the item.

This seems a bit like altering the terms of the sale after the sale has completed. He bought the product, he's entitled to the product -- a refund is not sufficient since the purchase cannot be rolled back.

Err, isn't that by definition what a refund is?

You roll back the purchase?

Customer gets his money back, Garadget gets the device - and they don't need to deal with each other again.

Re: iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying to launch

#82
post #79

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He offered the customer a full refund for the product - I don't see the issue. (Well, ok, he could have just turned the other cheek - but I suspect most of us here, when at the receiving end of such abuse, have wanted to say - "You know what? Take your business elsewhere."

He disabled the device. And you don't see the issue?

To be clear, he disabled the app, not the customer's device.

Re: iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying to launch

#83
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if they had even just said "you are a jerk and no one in this company is paid enough to deal with you; here's how to return your device for a full refund and here is a list of our least favourite competitors for all your internet-of-shit needs" i would have been 100% on their side. effectively bricking his device was beyond the pale, and says that you can't trust them to control your gadget from their servers.

He did that though? I guess he didn't give them full instructions, but he did effectively tell the consumer to return to Amazon. >At this time your only option is return Garadget to Amazon for refund. Your unit ID 2f0036... will be denied server connection.

right, but he forcibly removed the other option, which was for the device he had purchased to simply keep doing what he had paid for it to do. this is typically not something anyone expects a seller to do.

Re: iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying to launch

#84

"Throwing a tantrum"? The review in question is something along the lines of "the control app is flashing and doesn't work at all. This is junk, don't waste your money on it. 1/5 stars." If you make any public facing products, you will occasionally get such (and worse) reviews even if your product is a shiny perfection forged in heaven by angels themselves and wrapped in magic. Fact of life. On the other hand, the su…

>I am also quite surprised by the number of comments here at HN siding with Garadget.

I don't agree with disabling the customer's device, but I also don't agree with customers somehow being absolved of having a minimum level of decorum.

Re: iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying to launch

#85
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He offered the customer a full refund for the product - I don't see the issue. (Well, ok, he could have just turned the other cheek - but I suspect most of us here, when at the receiving end of such abuse, have wanted to say - "You know what? Take your business elsewhere."

He disabled the device. And you don't see the issue?

Where did you get that from ? It seems to me he simply banned the device unique ID on the server side.

Is it even possible for an app developer to disable an iphone ? Apple would be mad.

Re: iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying to launch

#86
Do we know what state OP lives in? By coïncidence, I'm in a legislative meeting on Thursday concerning New York's regulation of the post-purchase responsibilities of retailers and manufacturers of devices that neeed to talk to the Internet to work.

Re: iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying to launch

#87
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I can't decide whether this is legal or not. I am closer to siding _with_ Garadget in that as a private business, they don't HAVE to provide a service to someone (and it looks pretty obvious that there was no particular discrimination or the like); in fact, they have the right to refuse service. That said, the person also DID purchase a physical item (in fact, Garadget probably should have refunded them first, just b…

I think it should be illegal. Frame it in terms of a burger. If McDonald's says "since you say our food is bad we're messing with your burger after you bought it and we'll give you your money back if you return it" that would be illegal and probably, not sure though, a form of discrimination.

McDonalds is well within their rights to deny service to a customer (assuming it's not discrimination).

In fact I've seen them (and other restaurants) do this first hand.

A customer is being abusive, or giving the poor checkout person a hard time - if they get abusive or threatening, the manager will often intercede and tell them to leave the store.

Likewise, I used to work in a electronics store - if a customer is a being a jerk, you're well within rights to ask them to leave (politely). Obviously it's the nuclear option - but there's definitely precedent for it.

Re: iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying to launch

#88
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He offered the customer a full refund for the product - I don't see the issue. (Well, ok, he could have just turned the other cheek - but I suspect most of us here, when at the receiving end of such abuse, have wanted to say - "You know what? Take your business elsewhere."

He disabled the device. And you don't see the issue?

We are talking about the device that he sold him right? Not the iPhone? Lol.

He offered a full refund (although he admittedly could be a bit more tactful).

If he's said - I'm disabling it, too bad, I'd agree that's out of line.

However, what was actually said was - You're a jerk - I don't want your business, give me back the device, and I'll give you the money back.

Now they don't have to deal with each other, and nobody loses out (well, except for wasted time on both sides).

Re: iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying to launch

#89
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He disabled the device. And you don't see the issue?

To be clear, he disabled the app , not the customer's device.

The device's primarily-marketed feature is opening your garage from an app. To do this, the app and the device talk through the company's server. This developer blocked the customer's app from the server. That breaks the device's primary functionality.

Re: iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying to launch

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Not "for negative Amazon review", but for being an asshole. This guy forgot that there are people behind every product and the abstraction is as thin as it gets when it is in fact a smaller company or a startup. There are negative reviews and there are nasty reviews. He was nasty to them and they no longer wanted him as a client. No reason why a company should swallow shit that a person wouldn't. They certainly _can_…

Read the review here [0]; it's not abusive. It's probably the review of some guy who has been burned by half-assed Amazon shovel ware before. [0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2XHHHGM6BEUG6/re...

Amazon removed the comments from that review about 30 minutes ago. There was a comment from a journalist, Thor Benson, asking the reviewer about his experience.
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