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Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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And men should tend the land. It brings character to labor physically. These sissys who have no callouses don't know what real work is. Living in artificial, concrete cages, people have lost touch with reality! Oh wait, no. Tending the land is for women. Men should be out hunting. /parody

Laugh all you want. Your kind is being outbred.

I only laugh at tragedy.

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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The explanation is that the government massages unemployment figures to make the economy look better than it is. The government has been doing this for decades, under Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives. Unemployment is one of the most widely watched and therefor political numbers; anyone who is in power wants it to look as good as possible. One of the tactics to make the official unemployment rates…

"Massages" makes it sound like the change the measures on the fly which is not the case. See my other comment about counting those not working vs. those not looking for work.

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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"... or the wife works while the man take care of kids" Then wifey starts seeing hubby as a sexless entity --- sort of like the son she never gave birth to --- and loses attraction for him. "... it isn't a gender thing. It is a money thing" Humans spent millennia as hunter-gatherers. Men hunted, women gathered. Men protected and provided, women nurtured the children. If women provide and protection is provided by the…

Hey, if your wife sees you as a sexless entity, that sounds like something personal. Like maybe you need to find a way to be sexy for her. Turning that into a generalization about men being emasculated because women have careers now, man that's just not accurate. It's blaming women for something that's their fault or responsibility.

Ad hominem? Is that all you got?

The problem is not women having careers, it is men having careers as babysitters and homemakers. Reading comprehension is not your forte, I presume.

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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I've started some treatment recently, and for some reason I immediately started dating and looking for mates again. I quickly realized how difficult it is. You can't find women unless you have a job, while women have made outstanding progress in education and the workforce, and for some reason they have a hard time dating people who have a less comfortable situation than themselves. I don't want to ride the whole men…

You can't fight biology. Women are hardwired to look for men with resources or the ability to get them. It comes down to whether a man can provide the woman with a safe and clean place to have her babies. In the past, this signal has taken the form of physical strength, number of slaves, land, goats, whatever. Today, it's jobs and/or money. Then add a layer of the instinctive hunger for status within any social speci…

People are hardwired to prefer partners they find attractive. Beyond a well documented bias towards symmetry in and a certain range of ratios of physical features, attempts to find some sort of innately desirable traits that are not confounded by the incredible strong signals sent in a given culture & generation's media always fail. When you say, "Women are hardwired to look for men with resources or the ability to get them. It comes down to whether a man can provide the woman with a safe and clean place to have her babies," it's quite peculiar how societies with more of the first have a massive decline in the second.

The snarky way to reply to this is, if you're so smart, why can't you get laid?

edit: are not confounded by. Also, if you're downvoting in response to something other than the useless snark at the end of my post, please comment.

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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I've started some treatment recently, and for some reason I immediately started dating and looking for mates again. I quickly realized how difficult it is. You can't find women unless you have a job, while women have made outstanding progress in education and the workforce, and for some reason they have a hard time dating people who have a less comfortable situation than themselves. I don't want to ride the whole men…

Try making her laugh. Try listening to her. Be honest. Don't open by trying to fuck.#

Yes, it's a skill that like any other, requires deliberate practice. The skill, however, is being a generally enjoyable person to be around.

#(If it seems like the last point contradicts the honesty, don't go around making sex your goal. Most humans are horny, it ain't anything you really need to draw attention to.)

edit: downvote with comments

e2: A known effect of attacking (without confronting the core of the problem), or suppressing, or dismissing parties expressing certain beliefs or engaging in particular behaviors is that the opposing party reaffirms their actions or beliefs. Two-way intelligent and earnest discussion makes both sides amenable to the reasonable positions of the other.

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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"We will have to write off one to two entire generations". This from one industrial client who manages a workforce in the rural and suburban south. Why? The skills gap. Drug abuse, particularly meth. Competition from disability, welfare and black market income sources. I've heard similar from other clients. Their contempt for politicians stems largely from their perceptions that rural/middle America has been left to…

I see this and it's very frustrating. The things you mentioned are what make it such a difficult problem, especially "competition from disability, welfare and black market income sources." So often, it's papered over and misleadingly described as something else entirely for politically expedient means, as if there was a time we could go back to where we were safe from these forces.

The truth is, we never were and never will be, and we have to be always vigilant about fighting it by working to provide opportunity and safety nets. I despise that the conversation is always framed in moral terms regarding whether those who need safety nets "deserve" them, when the question should really be about whether we're serious about winning the competition against non-productive income sources, state sponsored or otherwise. The conversation is perennially hijacked.

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides, education has never been more accessible. One can sit down at their home computer – or one freely provided by a local library – and gain skills, across a variety of professions, that can make them highly marketable. These people aren't sitting at home watching TV because they lack education. They lack education for the same reason they are sitting at home, which is a much more complex topic, and not solved b…

I'd note, though, that most people can't really engage in self-directed study without structural motivations. After college, I think most people never read a textbook with such ferocity ever again. If you could just dump kids in front of Kahn Academy, life would be a lot easier.

Precisely.

I'll also add there's huge benefits to live collaboration and apprenticeship, namely the ability to solve roadblocks with the help of others at a pace that's likely to be faster than working alone.

Re: Men not at work: Why so many men aged 25 to 54 are not working (2016)

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"We will have to write off one to two entire generations". This from one industrial client who manages a workforce in the rural and suburban south. Why? The skills gap. Drug abuse, particularly meth. Competition from disability, welfare and black market income sources. I've heard similar from other clients. Their contempt for politicians stems largely from their perceptions that rural/middle America has been left to…

What's sad to me is that all those folks in those shitty, worn-out parts of the country, they're the perfect target market for a universal basic income. Why? Cause in the really poor counties, there's already a de-facto UBI, in the form of disability payments. It's just not formally universal, and people have to jump through a lot of hoops to maintain it. Simplify the whole thing, and pump some money into these places that have nothing and never will again on their own.
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