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Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by executesorder66 »

Karunamon wrote: post #35
gkya wrote: post #21

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Sorry, yes, I intended "software that'll become useless, unmaintained and outdated rather quickly".

If I had a penny for every useless, unmaintained, and outdated open source project...

The great thing about useless, unmaintened, and outdated open source projects, is that anyone can pick it up, and turn it into a useful, maintained and updated project.

If it was a closed source project you'd have to start from scratch every time if you wanted to restart the project.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by warcode »

Been using Vivaldi for probably a year, but I am now looking for a new browser. Too many media/crash issues have started popping up with running the browser without hardware acceleration enabled. And the options that let me disable it in the first place have been removed.

I guess all I really want is chrome without the tracking.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by ardivekar2 »

nhumrich wrote: post #45
matthberg wrote: post #8

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I was blown away by the customizability, I used Firefox with a split tab extension, yet this has native support.

Unfortunately you can't resize the split. I almost never want an exact 50-50 split. One webpage always scales better then the other in split mode.

Don't know about you, but on the latest release (1.6) I can resize the split to be between 10-60%

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by rtpg »

netsharc wrote: post #27
ploxiln wrote: post #22

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I fear this is largely due to modern websites. If you used old Opera on modern websites they would be broken (lack of new features) and still pretty slow. JS and image sizes have gone up exponentially. I remember discussion on Slashdot a decade ago about average page size going above 100KB - now the average is easily into multiple megabytes. It "works fine" in chrome on a macbook pro so who gives fuck, right? We can'…

And nowadays* Chrome unloads "old" tabs from memory, which must be a frustrating user experience for low memory users, open something in a new tab, try to go to the previous tab, and the browser had to load it again. * Maybe they've fixed this Of course it all works on the developer's machine, it has 16GB RAM, full HD screen and a connection straight to the backbone...

What's the alternative in this situation though? If you don't have enough RAM to hold everything you don't have enough RAM.

This seems like a decent solution, because the user experience is "wait a bit when loading stale tabs", rather than "have the entire browser choke without being really sure why"

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by SyneRyder »

ajmurmann wrote: post #70
tornadoboy55 wrote: post #53

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> However, it's probably no exaggeration to say that most users haven't used a desktop email client in over a decade. Almost everyone that uses macOS uses Apple Mail. Actually, I prefer that from having to (keep ) open a tab for Gmail.

I wonder if there are actual statistics about this. I only know one person who uses Apple Mail.

If you run a mailing list on Mailchimp, it provides stats on the email clients that subscribers are using, presumably detected from the User-Agent that HTML email clients send when downloading images.

My tiny email list (at indieconference.com) has 8% of my subscribers using Apple Mail, and 75% still use desktop/laptop for checking email.

Email Client Marketshare also shows Apple Mail with 7% marketshare as of 1 January 2017: https://emailclientmarketshare.com/

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by grzm »

SyneRyder wrote: post #85
ajmurmann wrote: post #70

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I wonder if there are actual statistics about this. I only know one person who uses Apple Mail.

If you run a mailing list on Mailchimp, it provides stats on the email clients that subscribers are using, presumably detected from the User-Agent that HTML email clients send when downloading images. My tiny email list (at indieconference.com) has 8% of my subscribers using Apple Mail, and 75% still use desktop/laptop for checking email. Email Client Marketshare also shows Apple Mail with 7% marketshare as of 1 Janu…

My tiny email list (at indieconference.com) has 8% of my subscribers using Apple Mail, and 75% still use desktop/laptop for checking email.

Does this breakdown take into account the OS? Is that 8% of macOS subscribers running Apple Mail, or of all subscribers? I'm unfamiliar with what data you have avialable, so I'm not sure if this is even possible.

Thanks for the link to emailclientmarketshare.com. As you noted, Apple Mail is at 8%. The Apple iPhone figure is pretty amazing, at 33%!

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by fredoralive »

Vivaldi is frustrating, as it nearly implements all the bits of Opera I use, but there are odd bits where it falls short

The main thing for me is the fact that tab minimisation doesn't work correctly, sometimes tabs you've minimised get selected, sometimes even when there are unminimised tabs. It's just wrong, and the tab handling was one of the main reasons I used Opera

Beyond that there's a lack of a bookmark menu, the fact that toolbars aren't customisable, no click-to-active for plugins and no site preferences, but they're less important things that don't mess up my workflow as much. Also it's rather ugly, but I fear we'll have to wait for several more years before flat design goes out of fashion to fix that.

I really want to get rid of my current Firefox + a load of extensions setup, especially as I haven't a clue if it'll survive Mozilla's next round of extension breaking updates. But Vivaldi just isn't quite there yet. I really want it to be...

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