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With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by cptskippy »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #36
cptskippy wrote: post #12

By default, Windows 10 sends an unprecedented amount of usage data back to Microsoft... location data, text input, voice input, touch input, webpages you visit, and telemetry data regarding your general usage of your computer, including which programs you run and for how long. Unprecedented for Microsoft or everyone? This is inline with what Google collects on Android. ...the fact remains that many users would much p…

So!? The fact that anyone else does it, doesn't give MS a pass. I'll never understand these types of arguments.

I am not saying that they deserve a pass but if the practice is objectionable then why is everyone only complaining about MS? I don't here anyone saying it's time to address this industry problem, it's just "MS is evil, quick switch to Apple/Linux".

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by cptskippy »

syshum wrote: post #15
cptskippy wrote: post #12

By default, Windows 10 sends an unprecedented amount of usage data back to Microsoft... location data, text input, voice input, touch input, webpages you visit, and telemetry data regarding your general usage of your computer, including which programs you run and for how long. Unprecedented for Microsoft or everyone? This is inline with what Google collects on Android. ...the fact remains that many users would much p…

>>> Apple, Google, and Amazon currently So in your world 2 wrongs make a right... because "everyone else" is doing it is a justification for you? See I was taught from a young age that just because my friends did something incredibly stupid, illegal, or immoral that dis not give me license to commit the offense.

So why aren't we complaining about this industry practice? It's purely focused on MS.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by jalami »

S_A_P wrote: post #56

Framed this way, I cant believe there is no class action lawsuit. I remember my mother in law said she was being asked to upgrade from 8.1. She said she didn't want to. I actually willingly installed win 10, and was across the country. She then called me one day and said "windows 10 installed anyway and I clicked the X to get out of it". At the time I just chalked it up to user error, but thanks MS, now I owe my moth…

IANAL, but it looks like when you agree to the Microsoft TOS you waive your right to bring a Class Action suit against Microsoft

>Class action lawsuits, class-wide arbitrations, private attorney-general actions, and any other proceeding where someone acts in a representative capacity aren’t allowed. Nor is combining individual proceedings without the consent of all parties.

I believe that's why companies are taking MS to small claims for $10,000 despite losing way more than that in downtime.

[0]https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement/

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by shmerl »

SixSigma wrote: post #83
shmerl wrote: post #42

> The Way Forward is to ditch Windows. You can't seriously expect MS to respect user choice and privacy.

Except my work relies on Autodesk which has Windows and Office as a dependency. I'm trapped

Yeah, in such cases helping Wine supporting them can move things forward.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by dingaling »

whatareyoureal wrote: post #3

Should have just branded it Windows 7 SP2. But I guess everyone expects MS to support multiple branches of code forever. These discussions always avoid talking about the merits of data-driven design and always assume malicious intent.

> But I guess everyone expects MS to support multiple branches of code forever.

No, just until January 2020 ( Win 7 ) and 2023 ( Win 8 ) as per the published lifetime.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by cptskippy »

schoen wrote: post #26
cptskippy wrote: post #12

By default, Windows 10 sends an unprecedented amount of usage data back to Microsoft... location data, text input, voice input, touch input, webpages you visit, and telemetry data regarding your general usage of your computer, including which programs you run and for how long. Unprecedented for Microsoft or everyone? This is inline with what Google collects on Android. ...the fact remains that many users would much p…

> But most people probably want updates and the data necessary to determine which updates you've got installed on your computer are considered telemetry data by Microsoft and that information is essential in order to determine which updates are applicable or available. Unix systems download a list of all available upgrades and then calculate on the client which upgrades to apply. This is compatible with performing au…

The dependency tracking model is preferred but unfortunately Windows doesn't do this and can just start. Win32 apps are allowed to walk all over everything as if it's theirs and Windows is full of registry and file system hacks to compensate.

It's a shit sandwich.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by AdmiralAsshat »

After the crap associated with the Anniversary Update, I decided to stop threatening to move to Linux every time Microsoft made a consumer-hostile move and just do it, in order to see how feasible the shift would be. Fedora has been fine so far, sans a few hardware-specific issues I've run into. The laptop is certainly better optimized for Windows, which is not surprising. I'm trying to document all of the problems I've run into along the way and the steps to remedy them, in case they are of value to anyone else. The Arch Linux wiki has been great for this sort of thing, even without using Arch.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by dbg31415 »

jakebasile wrote: post #17

I upgraded willingly so the deceptive upgrade practices, while deplorable, didn't really affect me. What does affect me is that Microsoft refuses to let me control my computer. - If you turn off Windows Defender Real Time Protection it explicitly tells you "You can turn this off, but if it's off for a while we'll turn it back on". It turns itself on upon next reboot, it seems. - You can't turn off Windows Update. It…

With the latest update... many of my settings for existing features were changed. My desktop background was reset to default, my choice of browser was switched back to Edge, and my taskbar icons were reset...

"Oh, cool, I was wondering where I put Edge... now I'm so happy it's back!" Wait, that's not what I said at all.

I assume all the privacy settings I tried to change to be in my favor were reset as well, and there's about 8 GB of random "Windows.old" crap cluttering my my SSD.

The update took 30 minutes on a modern computer and no less than 3 restarts to get up onto "Anniversary Edition" -- mind you there was very little to no warning it was coming, just "You have an update."

I've stood up for Microsoft numerous times with friends, but man... I don't trust them, they don't respect my settings, or my intelligence, and they are treating my hardware like they own it. I'm done with their crap... Made the decision to just deal with Apple's crap now and Ubuntu's crap now.

Couldn't tell anyone what the benefits of Windows 10 Anniversary Edition are; so the ROI just isn't there for me in putting up with Microsoft any more.

Re: With Windows 10, Microsoft Disregards User Choice and Privacy

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Post by graycat »

Gb abbreviates gigabit or gigabyte? What does GB abbreviate?

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In update:

PLEASE stop down voting me for my simple, nice, courteous reminder to the person who wrote the post I replied to.

I was NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT ignorant of the meanings of Gb versus GB and was NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT asking for a tutorial on the difference. I am not an ignorant newby on HN knowing too little to be posting here. Just what I did wrong is beyond all obvious criteria.

These attacks are personal, based on my user name and some earlier posts of mine?

I did NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING wrong.

Instead, I was suggesting that maybe the post I responded to was not using Gb versus GB correctly -- MAYBE. I was trying to be subtle and suggesting that the person just review the meanings of Gb versus GB. I DO know very, very well the correct, accepted meanings the two abbreviations.

So, for trying to be nice, I get attacked? What kind of hostility is that?

MOD, please get involved and correct this.

Right, I'm a newby? I've published several peer-revewed papers of original research in computer science and artificial intelligence and taught computer science in graduate school at Ohio State University. I DO know quite a lot of computing. Early in my career I designed and wrote the software that scheduled the fleet at FedEx and literally saved the company -- pleased the BoD and enabled crucial financing. My Ph.D. dissertation in engineering was in software.

For one of my contributions in artificial intelligence at the IBM Watson lab, I received an award from IBM. For some other research I did at IBM, I reinvented k-D trees -- a few years earlier, and k-D trees would have been mine.

MOD: I've done NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING wrong, but I've been severely attacked. The attacks look personal, by paid propagandists attacking me for some old post on some topic the propagandists are paid to fight about.

MOD: Please straighten out these attacks.

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