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Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That link is pretty good at explaining the DNS delegation, TLS and NoScript. However, as DDG runs on AWS, they don't have sole control of their servers anyway. Edit: output of a DNS/Ping tool I wrote for a book: Enter a hostname or IP address: duckduckgo.com Performing DNS lookup of duckduckgo.com Complete, duckduckgo.com = 54.229.105.92 Performing reverse DNS lookup of 54.229.105.92 Complete, 54.229.105.92 = ec2-54-…

TIL! I didn't realize they ran an AWS stack. I've been using DDG for years (use !g about 1/3 of the time I think), and I just like having the alternative. I wish we had more search engines, but I also realize the barrier to entry is really high. Using AWS does make a lot of sense in their market. I thought their primary index was Yandex though, and they purchased supplemental data from Yahoo and Google?

This looks to me like Route 53 going straight to EC2, with no ELBs. Amazon own a lot of the 54.x.x.x IPv4 addresses, which is often a hint.

I like (and trust) DDG, and use it all the time. But it is interesting to know who else has access to their infrastructure.

I was surprised by the AWS result, as I expected them to co-locate their own dedicated hardware.

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TIL! I didn't realize they ran an AWS stack. I've been using DDG for years (use !g about 1/3 of the time I think), and I just like having the alternative. I wish we had more search engines, but I also realize the barrier to entry is really high. Using AWS does make a lot of sense in their market. I thought their primary index was Yandex though, and they purchased supplemental data from Yahoo and Google?

Supertip: Use !sp instead of !g to get googles results but without the tracking.

Looks like https://startpage.com uses http://www.routit.nl

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

#83

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The cynic in me says that it all starts like this. With multiple, gradual ToS changes, eventually, it will become like any other company out there. And what if Yahoo acquires DDG?

Isn't that basically the MO of every startup? * Offer something for free, with VC money. * Gain market share since you don't need to worry about profit. * Realise you need to make money, so start turning into the companies you stole market share from.

Just want to point out that although that may be a model for many startups, DuckDuckGo is already profitable through (non-tracking) advertising and affiliate revenue. More info: https://duck.co/help/company/advertising-and-affiliates

Disclaimer: DDG staff

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Always loved DuckDuckgo - kinda came across as a search engine that didn't seek to takeover the world, and only sought to fill a (necessary) niche. That seems more genuine than "don't be evil".

Google originally won everyone over with superior results, the rest of it came pretty organically. The underdog is always everyone's favorite until they somehow wind up on top.

> The underdog is always everyone's favorite until they somehow wind up on top.

Google was everyone's favorite for a while even after becoming the market leader. And it seems the reasons to dislike google are pretty diverse (although around here I mostly hear "because they forced g+ login on youtube" or "because they killed reader". FTR my biggest annoyances with them was 1: when they killed off Google Desktop Search, 2: the years when they insisted on fuzzing any search until it returned millions of results )

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

#85
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For the record, this isn't really news . A lot of details can be found at https://duck.co/help/results/yahoo-technical-implementation https://duck.co/help/results/sources also states that they partner with Yahoo!, and in some regions and scenarios, Yandex and Bing.

Different topic: Why do they use www.duck.co as their development url and www.duckduckgo.com as their search engine name? The latter is just way too long to type. Especially for casual users who has google set at their main search engine. Compare URL lengths: duckduckgo.com 14 (10+4) google.com 10 (6+4) yahoo.com 9 (5+4) yandex.ru 9 (6+3) bing.com 8 (4+4) baidu.cn 8 (5+3) I really want to like duckduckgo, but the nam…

Just use ddg.gg.

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Always loved DuckDuckgo - kinda came across as a search engine that didn't seek to takeover the world, and only sought to fill a (necessary) niche. That seems more genuine than "don't be evil".

Google originally won everyone over with superior results, the rest of it came pretty organically. The underdog is always everyone's favorite until they somehow wind up on top.

The basic problem with Google is the age old software engineer problem, not knowing when enough is enough.

They kept tweaking results and trying to be helpful, and over time building a "bubble" around the individual user rather than trying to produce the objectively best results based on the query.

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

#88

I want to use DDG. I've made it my default search engine. But the result page is just so slow. Both in slow to load (v Google), and actual responsiveness. It's just slightly laggy, or at least it feels like that. Google has neither problem. I'm willing to put up with not-excellent relevancy, but the slowness is killing me. I'm using FF 49 64-bit on Win8. Am I anomalous or does anyone else feel this at all?

You're not anomalous. I'm not usually using DDG, but checked it out on chrome 51 64-bit on Win10, compared with google and there is definitely noticeable lag on DDG in many areas, though NOT to the extent of making page unusable.

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

#89

I want to use DDG. I've made it my default search engine. But the result page is just so slow. Both in slow to load (v Google), and actual responsiveness. It's just slightly laggy, or at least it feels like that. Google has neither problem. I'm willing to put up with not-excellent relevancy, but the slowness is killing me. I'm using FF 49 64-bit on Win8. Am I anomalous or does anyone else feel this at all?

No slowness here. The only downside is the quality of results. Most of the time when searaching technical questions I get better results on google compared to ddg. It looks like ddg doesn't like stackoverflow.

This is what I've noticed as well. Searching for Rust programming questions is very hard with DDG, whereas Google gets relevant results at the top. Otherwise, DDG and Google are pretty much on par.

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Does this mean that Yahoo results appear in DDG? Will DDG power Yahoo search in any way?

What would they power Yahoo with? DDG has always just shown Yahoo results (which in turn comes from Bing).

>DDG has always just shown Yahoo results //

Pretty sure that's not true. DDG used to do its own indexing IIRC. Early on in the project we used to get regular updates here.

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