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Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by Doctor_Fegg »

enibundo wrote: post #68
MichaelGG wrote: post #45

I want to use DDG. I've made it my default search engine. But the result page is just so slow. Both in slow to load (v Google), and actual responsiveness. It's just slightly laggy, or at least it feels like that. Google has neither problem. I'm willing to put up with not-excellent relevancy, but the slowness is killing me. I'm using FF 49 64-bit on Win8. Am I anomalous or does anyone else feel this at all?

No slowness here. The only downside is the quality of results. Most of the time when searaching technical questions I get better results on google compared to ddg. It looks like ddg doesn't like stackoverflow.

Agreed: underranking SO is my biggest issue with DDG.

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by djsumdog »

jsingleton wrote: post #67
pwnna wrote: post #10

I think a better link to explain is here: https://duck.co/help/results/yahoo-technical-implementation It looks like they are just querying yahoo for results and ads as a proxy and it sounds like, through some contractual/technical limitations, they have to make that request from a yahoo controlled domain name (duckduckgo-owned-server.yahoo.net). However, they say they fully control the server and yahoo does not get t…

That link is pretty good at explaining the DNS delegation, TLS and NoScript. However, as DDG runs on AWS, they don't have sole control of their servers anyway. Edit: output of a DNS/Ping tool I wrote for a book: Enter a hostname or IP address: duckduckgo.com Performing DNS lookup of duckduckgo.com Complete, duckduckgo.com = 54.229.105.92 Performing reverse DNS lookup of 54.229.105.92 Complete, 54.229.105.92 = ec2-54-…

TIL! I didn't realize they ran an AWS stack.

I've been using DDG for years (use !g about 1/3 of the time I think), and I just like having the alternative.

I wish we had more search engines, but I also realize the barrier to entry is really high. Using AWS does make a lot of sense in their market.

I thought their primary index was Yandex though, and they purchased supplemental data from Yahoo and Google?

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by lunula »

MichaelGG wrote: post #45

I want to use DDG. I've made it my default search engine. But the result page is just so slow. Both in slow to load (v Google), and actual responsiveness. It's just slightly laggy, or at least it feels like that. Google has neither problem. I'm willing to put up with not-excellent relevancy, but the slowness is killing me. I'm using FF 49 64-bit on Win8. Am I anomalous or does anyone else feel this at all?

I haven't noticed but I wonder if the complexity of making the infinite results pop into the page as you scroll is causing the difference. For me this feature alone is worth a mild slowdown in responsiveness. On Google you gave to click to get to results >10.

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by [deleted] »

ausvisaissues wrote: post #19
0xmohit wrote: post #15

For the record, this isn't really news . A lot of details can be found at https://duck.co/help/results/yahoo-technical-implementation https://duck.co/help/results/sources also states that they partner with Yahoo!, and in some regions and scenarios, Yandex and Bing.

Different topic: Why do they use www.duck.co as their development url and www.duckduckgo.com as their search engine name? The latter is just way too long to type. Especially for casual users who has google set at their main search engine. Compare URL lengths: duckduckgo.com 14 (10+4) google.com 10 (6+4) yahoo.com 9 (5+4) yandex.ru 9 (6+3) bing.com 8 (4+4) baidu.cn 8 (5+3) I really want to like duckduckgo, but the nam…

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Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by volatilitish »

piyush_soni wrote: post #55
pwnna wrote: post #10

I think a better link to explain is here: https://duck.co/help/results/yahoo-technical-implementation It looks like they are just querying yahoo for results and ads as a proxy and it sounds like, through some contractual/technical limitations, they have to make that request from a yahoo controlled domain name (duckduckgo-owned-server.yahoo.net). However, they say they fully control the server and yahoo does not get t…

The cynic in me says that it all starts like this. With multiple, gradual ToS changes, eventually, it will become like any other company out there. And what if Yahoo acquires DDG?

Isn't that basically the MO of every startup?

* Offer something for free, with VC money. * Gain market share since you don't need to worry about profit. * Realise you need to make money, so start turning into the companies you stole market share from.

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by q-base »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #71
enibundo wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No slowness here. The only downside is the quality of results. Most of the time when searaching technical questions I get better results on google compared to ddg. It looks like ddg doesn't like stackoverflow.

Agreed: underranking SO is my biggest issue with DDG.

Which of course depending on their ranking implementation seems kinda odd, as you could expect a big part of the users of SO also to be the ones using DDG. But again if it categorically undervalues results from there, then those users will of course find alternatives.

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by pttrsmrt »

djsumdog wrote: post #72
jsingleton wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That link is pretty good at explaining the DNS delegation, TLS and NoScript. However, as DDG runs on AWS, they don't have sole control of their servers anyway. Edit: output of a DNS/Ping tool I wrote for a book: Enter a hostname or IP address: duckduckgo.com Performing DNS lookup of duckduckgo.com Complete, duckduckgo.com = 54.229.105.92 Performing reverse DNS lookup of 54.229.105.92 Complete, 54.229.105.92 = ec2-54-…

TIL! I didn't realize they ran an AWS stack. I've been using DDG for years (use !g about 1/3 of the time I think), and I just like having the alternative. I wish we had more search engines, but I also realize the barrier to entry is really high. Using AWS does make a lot of sense in their market. I thought their primary index was Yandex though, and they purchased supplemental data from Yahoo and Google?

Supertip: Use !sp instead of !g to get googles results but without the tracking.
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