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Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by BugsBunnySan »

acdha wrote: post #60
BugsBunnySan wrote: post #16

well, good riddance to flash, but Encrypted Media Extensions are definitly not an advantage, see for example https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/save-firefox

EME is a huge advantage from a security perspective because it avoids pulling in a massive platform (Flash, Silverlight) just to play video. We can debate other aspects but from a security perspective moving to a small, tightly-scoped module is a big win and that's important when the cost of vulnerabilities is in the billions per year. It's also somewhat good for the web since both of those platforms are competitors…

You don't need EME to play video, HTML5 video can be played just fine without it.

AFAIK, You need EME to make sure that only browsers that have the Foo-Corporation EME plugin can play Foo-Corporation videos.

And to get the EME plugin for a browser, you need to ask permissions from Foo-Corporation to have it. So anyone writing a new browers (like Mozilla did with what became Firefox) will have to ask for this permission and will likely not just get it.

Seems like another example of where big companies got to where they are because the space they moved into was wide and open and free. But now that they have claimed that space and divided it up amongst a few players, they'll do their damned best to fence it of, wall it in and make sure none else can ever move into ever again.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by mikeryan »

ramy_d wrote: post #49
ericzawo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, impressive! I'm waiting for the day where my internet stream is 'Live' like my television is 'live.'

I did a cursory search out of curiosity: TV has a 7 second delay they add themselves to filter content. The broadcast itself is pretty much instant. It's impressive.

Depends on Delivery mechanism as well.

Interestingly if you put a TV using cable next to a TV using satellite the satellite TV will trail cable by 2-3 seconds sometimes just from the amount of time to bounce the signal off of satellites.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by zackp30 »

sparewalking wrote: post #75
oolongCat wrote: post #51

Getting really frustrated with all the things chrome is starting to change. We are starting to become a bunch of sheep, if google wants something, they announce it, and implement it, we developers, users have to fall in line and start doing everything they want. What the hell is going on, why are we not pissed off about this. Look I hate Flash as much as the other guy, but blocking an extention just because a company…

> How long before we see adblockers [...] and basically anything that a company like google will see as a threat get blocked. They're already blocked on Android Chrome browser.

What do you mean by “blocked”? Chrome on Android has never supported any sort of extension, I wouldn’t say that they’re blocking ad-blockers, more there’s just no support for ad-blockers, or extensions for that matter.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by frozenport »

macspoofing wrote: post #68
oolongCat wrote: post #51

Getting really frustrated with all the things chrome is starting to change. We are starting to become a bunch of sheep, if google wants something, they announce it, and implement it, we developers, users have to fall in line and start doing everything they want. What the hell is going on, why are we not pissed off about this. Look I hate Flash as much as the other guy, but blocking an extention just because a company…

>Look I hate Flash as much as the other guy, but blocking an extention just because a company doesn't like it. It's their browser, they can do what they like.

It's their monopoly, they can do what they like.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by wjoe »

Ambroos wrote: post #38
cornedor wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Including Google's own Google Music, I use Firefox in my daily browsing without Flash installed, when I want to listen to my music i've to start Google Chrome which has Flash by default. The experimental HTML5-audio toggle is always disabled for me.

Play Music always uses HTML5 now, which is why the toggle is not available (but it's indicated badly). You can disable the built-in Flash on chrome://plugins and everything will still work.

Only in Chrome, it still requires Flash in Firefox for some reason. They're using some non-standard way of doing HTML5 Audio as far as I remember, which only works in Chrome.

Bug report is here - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=911837 - It's been a while since I looked into it and looks like the details have changed recently. At least a quick attempt now tells me "Please refresh this page in your browser to get back to listening to your music. If issues persist, make sure you have Flash enabled and working."

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by DarkLinkXXXX »

sparewalking wrote: post #75
oolongCat wrote: post #51

Getting really frustrated with all the things chrome is starting to change. We are starting to become a bunch of sheep, if google wants something, they announce it, and implement it, we developers, users have to fall in line and start doing everything they want. What the hell is going on, why are we not pissed off about this. Look I hate Flash as much as the other guy, but blocking an extention just because a company…

> How long before we see adblockers [...] and basically anything that a company like google will see as a threat get blocked. They're already blocked on Android Chrome browser.

Eh? I thought the android version of chrome didn't have any extension functionality.
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